Xest wrote:Er, those groups were never set just random PuGs. Same goes for SP etc. sure you got the same players running together now and again but there wasn't really any logical group structure or predefined groups it was just whoevers on groups up, goes out and RvR's.
Actually you're talking rubbish. I know this for a fact because 2.5 years ago I joined up with a regular fixed 8 person group. We had a very logicial group structure (for the state of the game at the time) and it was very much predefined. We were 7/8th SP and 1/8th Oaks. We ran as a fixed group for several months together several nights a week until the inevitable burnout occurred. There were other opted groups running at the time too (as mentioned elsewhere in this thread).
I can't say what the state of play is these days on Prydwen as I don't play anymore, but what I can say that Prydwen has a long history of 8v8 and opted groups.
and llaw arran came over to prydwen and attempted to play for a while, i know I helped several of their druids level up over a month or two
then they decided they didnt like how the game was played on Hib/pryd and went back to excal where they felt 'more comfortable'
ps, those were not pick up groups Xest, those were groups that ran together multiple times a week with the same players, swapping in backup only when the regulars couldnt make it. people who grouped and ran togehter from *gasp* the very beginning of the game.
Xest wrote:Er, those groups were never set just random PuGs. Same goes for SP etc. sure you got the same players running together now and again but there wasn't really any logical group structure or predefined groups it was just whoevers on groups up, goes out and RvR's. If you've been 8 vs 8ing so long one might question wtf you struggle to come to terms with using things like buffsheers As for Usp's deathspam, what has that got to do with a fixed group? It was just good old abuse of PBAE going through walls in towers, now when NP/Eclipse and so on started acheiving that in the field, it's then that Prydwen started getting it's first well formed groups.
Usp, have you ever heard of Llaw Arian and Nolby Pride? Hmm, no obviously not with that comment. I'm sorry I offended Prydwen but if you can't accept the truth that's your problem not mine so no need to bitch at me - NP/LA amongst others had fixed groups on Excal long before Prydwen ever saw them.
You do know ofcourse that LA wasn't made on excal before quite far in the game (Elesias was rr8 or 9 before he made LA) somewhere around the time Eclipse was formed, and way after SotL had been running 'set' groups for a long time.
And Warders and EoO for example ran guild groups at the same time NP did on excal more or less, you do realize that warders were made by people who had played with NP for a while during beta and stuff, and both those guilds lvl'ed almost as fast as NP and made good actual rvr groups back then. But overall I agree that excal had more good guilds in early DAoC (pre SI), however, I believe that during mid-late SI and most of TOA overall the best prydwen guild grps were playing at a higher level than excal ones. And they were fighting considerably more fights vs other top guild grps than the ggs on excal were due to the population differences in RvR which in return demanded a higher lvl of playstyle from them. Since in part toa and in particular NF came, however, the level fell as many players left.
Oh I agree with that, I think Prydwen certainly had better 8vs8 in the end, I'm just saying that it most certainly caught on on Pryd much later than it did on Excal.
As I say the fact guilds like MM and NP farmed so hard in their first few weeks on Prydwen is a testament to how Prydwen wasn't prepared for the "real" 8vs8 groups.
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just random PuGs. Same goes for SP etc. sure you got the same players running together now and again but there wasn't really any logical group structure or predefined groups it was just whoevers on groups up, goes out and RvR's.
