Daoc is gonna die?

[Gamblor]

I have to admit i used to have ALOT more solo fights in OF that i do in NF .

However , Now days EVERYONE has a buff bot , where as i don't.

In OF ( or as OohhoO would say : Back in my day ) I used to pretty much Live in Odins gate , and i used to have some great fights with peeps. ( this is on Excal i'm talking about) Or somedays it would be Me and either Scout/infl against anything we could take.

Now that i'm playing hibby , i've had 5 solo kills since we went to NF, where as i usualy get 5 solo fights a day OF ( Not that i'd will them all :gamblor: ) .
Now i rvr'd ( solo) with my friar from 42 upwards ( just at SI release) and it was always fun .. sometimes i'd get pummeled , other times it would be close.
Now my Champ is lvl 48 , partly toa'd and i've had 5 kills with her .

But for Large scare rvr and keep takes and the like NF is alot better , and for leeching rps it's the best =)

I'd say once i get back online i'll finnish getting my champ 50 , my vamp 50 and kit both out with any luck =).

But i don't expect to be back on line properly till middle of decemember .

So untill then , see how this works out.

Set up a Solo'rs /bg or /cg andd you can pass info around about who you have found solo , where the best spots are to be found .. stuff like that.

[Alexandrinus]

(not even the PUGs want anyone under RR5 nowadays =/)
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not true in NE alliance we take everyone into a group

As for unbalanced, what was previously savage/zerker trains is now high-RR casters/archers.

yes these high rr casters wich can kill a tank in 5-6 seconds are really the wrong way

[Quinlan]

yes these high rr casters wich can kill a tank in 5-6 seconds are really the wrong way

Dont confuse high RR with balance....

[OohhoO]

Dont confuse high RR with balance....

Hmmmm <looks confused>
How is attainable RR & the abilities gained therefrom not a game-balance issue?

[Cromcruaich]

...stuff...

I remember a post you made a week or so ago, suggesting a classic only rvr zone, it probably wasnt a bad idea

[Overdue]

Because someone's taken the time to get that realm rank, gaining the abilities for the time they've spent. Just like a level 40 vs 50. Can't complain imo;o.

He means though that it's more of the need that certain classes need balancing not realm ranks. Damage variance isn't going to change that much between realm ranks.

[OohhoO]

Aye & I don't begrudge anyone the hard-earned fruits of their toils in any way, but the decision as to which realm abilities are available to which classes & the decision to extend attainable RR both contain game-balance elements.

Personally I blame TOA
Capped Dex-Cap
+ Capped casting speed
+ some +spell damage
+ BB with +25% buffs
= overpowered

[Sharkith]

[quote="Overdue"]Because someone's taken the time to get that realm rank, gaining the abilities for the time they've spent. Just like a level 40 vs 50. Can't complain imo]

yes there are important problems with damage variance between classes and some of the differences are ridiculus. However if you have moc3 and Purge 3 for example that is going to make one hell of a difference to your survivability. To fail to acknowledge that this does not make a difference to someone else trying to move through the ranks is to miss a very important aspect of game balance.

What seems to have happened is that some were around the time that the rr abilities come out a group of people or characters moved up through the ranks as a cohort. Anyone else coming into the game in a new cohort typically finds it very tough to survive and enjoy the game simply because Realm Rank abilities do further unbalance things.

Look at the high RR groups and tell me that not only do they get the benefit of knowing how each other play (which is something low rr's can learn btw), they also get some very nice tools to deploy more frequently..... This is not to say that they don't deserve some rewards it just a pity those rewards always have to be to further their competitiveness.

The effect damages the new cohort who at a lower realm rank have to put up with fragmentary groups and imbalanced setups - even when you pick a group friendly character. So you end up not getting a group and having to struggle up through the ranks and eventually you get noticed and hopefully picked up. What happens is not new groups moving up through the ranks (although that probably can happen) as some believe but that the high rr groups lose members and pick up some from the middle ranges. It is social selection rather than a merit system. Why else would there be a culture of leetness and a culture that praises good players? It is kind of how the selection happens.

There is a very important and unbalancing selectivness happening everyday in this game and it has a lot to do with realm rank.

But then that is the real point where you have competition you have inequality and the choice is either put up or go play something else.... and there are those that can make it despite the odds being against them and thats what matters.

kind regards

Sharkith

edit - bollox another essay!

[ambera]

What happens is not new groups moving up through the ranks (although that probably can happen) as some believe but that the high rr groups lose members and pick up some from the middle ranges

The high RR groups do occasionally disband - whole groups sometimes leave the server - and this allows groups from the 'middle ranges' to move up, as the odds of getting ganked every time you set foot in a frontier are slightly reduced. Like a big tree falling in the forest. o.O

Unfortunately, as far as I can see, the only way for lower RR groups to compete against groups way out of their league is to get organised. Sort out opted groups, work hard, and when the going gets insanely tough, ignore the 8 vs 8 whining on FH and run with a few adds. I feel no great shame in going 12 vs 8 or even 16 vs 8 every now and then against certain GGs (cough)Maelstrom(/cough), since I know chances are they will still win.

Our group started off with all <RR5 members (you can think of us as a cohort I suppose), and although we are far from being one of the l337 groups on Prydwen (never mind cluster) we have, by working together, got to the point where we can have fun and not get steamrolled all the time.

I'm sure this doesn't apply to soloers and casual players, but I won't try and address that or I'll have written an essay as big as Shark's :/

[OohhoO]

... bollox another essay!

Luv it when you do that

So basically in order to survive long-term DAoC needs to attract more new players (which we can't hugely influence as individuals), provide them with a fun levelling experience, & then provide them with a fun end-game once they reach L50.

Well ... none of that is actually the case ATM

The small number of new players DAoC attracts have to level mostly alone & without help, & should they reach L50 they will be confronted not only by the ToA grind but also if they're unwise enough to venture out into the frontiers they will not only almost certainly have to do it alone but they'll get their noob asses well & truly fried by some overpowered RR10+ ...

Things are looking good ... NOT!
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