Dragon Respec stones, Goa's Responce

[Bugzy]

I have read it properly - you stated that just because they can't see the scripts doesn't mean they can edit them, I pointed out that's wrong.

Once again you are wrong, give up Xest, i can whole heartedly say I KNOW what i am talking about.

[Cyfr]

Dear Xest
cast your mind back a little while, does Legion and the dragons rampaging around the old Emain ring any bells? This kind of incident shows why GM level would NOT have sufficient priveleges to make changes to the code base.

Why does that kind of incident show why GM level would not have sufficent privelages to make changes to the code base??

[Xest]

Dear Xest

Have you heard about this highly technical thing called FILE PERMISSIONS, it is a new and exciting field of technical excellence that has been around for oh, 50 years or so.

In laymans terms, a file can have multiple levels of permissions, dependant on your system priveleges. Basic levels include, read permission, write permission and delete permission, those are the most basic level permissions. It is rudimentary security for those who get system access to be only granted read access to important or vital system files. To acheive write access a further privelege would be required, and to be able to delete those files, access levels approaching administrator levels, or root as the unix term would be, are required.

Requiel et al, would be 'users' on the server clusters, they would be able to look at files all day long. Making changes however, would require programmer access or root access. It is unlikely that GM's have those priveleges, why do I say this? Well good sir, cast your mind back a little while, does Legion and the dragons rampaging around the old Emain ring any bells? This kind of incident shows why GM level would NOT have sufficient priveleges to make changes to the code base.

Therefore, remove your head from your ass, realise you are, once more, wrong, and that Requiel is being totally honest when saying that he can look at the code and tables, but would have no access (let alone permission), to change it.

Yours

Almighty Cuchuluhain


(ps , Xest=prawned)

You see, you've missed one massively important fact, there's nothing whatsoever to say Requiel is the one who might have modified the files, imagine that huh, someone who does have write permission might have done it OR it might have been done accidently by the translators during translation itself.

Try again Cuch, preferably without missing the obvious this time. Oh and what Cyfr said, your example doesn't have any relevance to your point, as usual you're off on a 90 degree tangent.

Once again you are wrong, give up Xest, i can whole heartedly say I KNOW what i am talking about.

Prove it, all you've done so far is prove that you don't know what you're talking about - provide some kind of evidence to the contrary, claiming you do know without any evidence is just daft. If people could win their arguments like that, I'd just simply say "I'm god, you're all wrong, end of story, I win, hah.", sadly this is real life, not the Matrix, you can't just be who you want to be or know what you want to know with a single comment.

[Bugzy]

Prove it, all you've done so far is prove that you don't know what you're talking about - provide some kind of evidence to the contrary, claiming you do know without any evidence is just daft. If people could win their arguments like that, I'd just simply say "I'm god, you're all wrong, end of story, I win, hah.", sadly this is real life, not the Matrix, you can't just be who you want to be or know what you want to know with a single comment.

Ok then:

First of what we need to understand is that drop rates and mob data are stored in databases and text files (possibly something different for daoc - its hard to say). These databases can be copied and pasted as can the text files as long as they are not placed in the folder/area that the servers run from (in this case that'd be a selection of computers). When these files and databases are opened (using something like DBC) the results are displayed in a editable form but a form that won't affect the server.

However, if the txt files and the database is edited from the main root folder or edited and placed into the main root folder (which would be uber hard probably considering security settings) then changes will take place.

I am guessing the GM has a copy of the files he/she is related to for customer help (drop rates, spawn rates, database of mobs, items etc.). However the GM would not have access to the programs that load this data up to the stuff we see ingame.

If the GM does not have a copy then he/she is able to read them from the main root folder but the secuirty settings enable it to be read only, to stop editing by mistake, on purpose etc.

Often, when changes are made to a server, the origianl database or whatever is feeded out of the main root folder, edited and feeded back in so the servers are down for minimal time.

All that above is related to what i have done and i'm almost certainly sure DAoC follows a rough outline of it.

[Lairiodd]

This thread is going downhill. I doubt there will be any further posts from Requiel and the discussion has drifted off topic ... it is not like anyone is still discussing the merits/demerits of granting/not granting the respec stones.