Dragon Respec stones, Goa's Responce

[Xest]

Afaik, a GM cannot edit, modify or change the scripts that the game processes. So yes, i'd consider it minimal power.

No they just magically conjur up the GOA specific content ofc

Sharkith was in response to Bugzy

[Sharkith]

Sharkith was in response to Bugzy

ahhh I seeeee.

[Bugzy]

No they just magically conjur up the GOA specific content ofc

Sharkith was in response to Bugzy

So what if they can see it?

Doesn't mean they can say 'right i'll make dragon drop 100% stones from now on'. Not like they can magically give you the stones without questionning, not like they can use their power corruptly. Their power is managed by those higher up than them, thus it isn't really 'uber power.'

[Tare]

The other thing to remember of course is that if normal loot items aren't 100% drop there's a lot of ML steps that have items required to move on, this means Requiel is essentially saying there's a chance an item that should be dropped wont drop every time which could potentially delay a raid for a long time if they have to wait for respawn - the design intention is clear, that the item be dropped each time so that you can carry on and if that isn't the case it has to be a bug and should be dealt with like any other bug - added to the list of things to fix.

Wrong, Requiel stated that specific ToA ML drops are tied to the mobs AI and therefor are a guaranteed drop.

[Xest]

So what if they can see it?

Doesn't mean they can say 'right i'll make dragon drop 100% stones from now on'. Not like they can magically give you the stones without questionning, not like they can use their power corruptly. Their power is managed by those higher up than them, thus it isn't really 'uber power.'

Last time I checked, notepad and vi offer the ability to read AND write text files. You clearly don't understand game scripting systems.

Wrong, Requiel stated that specific ToA ML drops are tied to the mobs AI and therefor are a guaranteed drop.

Actually it's you that's wrong - he said those are the ones that go straight into your pack, or for example GoV (remember you could just run by and nab someone elses GoV? that's cos it wasn't dropped as part of the loot table and was dropped specially) some ToA mobs don't work like that, their special items are part of the standard loot table.

[HappyG]

Last time I checked, notepad and vi offer the ability to read AND write text files. You clearly don't understand game scripting systems.

I wonder why they pay Mythic's licence than. I mean, they have the mighty vi, and I've heard Requiel aswell has superior knowledge of using joe, they don't need Mythic, they can develop the game without em!

[Bugzy]

Last time I checked, notepad and vi offer the ability to read AND write text files. You clearly don't understand game scripting systems.

That is where your wrong. I may not have been involved in big projects like DAoC but have worked with, edited and tested files and the stuff including drop rates, spawns, inserting mobs into the game etc.

You obviously haven't read my post properly.

[Xest]

That is where your wrong. I may not have been involved in big projects like DAoC but have worked with, edited and tested files and the stuff including drop rates, spawns, inserting mobs into the game etc.

You obviously haven't read my post properly.

I have read it properly - you stated that just because they can't see the scripts doesn't mean they can edit them, I pointed out that's wrong.

I wonder why they pay Mythic's licence than. I mean, they have the mighty vi, and I've heard Requiel aswell has superior knowledge of using joe, they don't need Mythic, they can develop the game without em!

Again, a lack of understanding about how things work, of course the whole thing isn't written in an interpreted language, the core will be written in a compiled language but content split off into script files that can be edited by a simple text editor - it's standard practice for a project as large as an MMOG, seperating content from code means that with the massive amount of content that's needed for such a large project you can have non-programmers developing content with the much easier to understand script files as opposed to needing programmers to develop every single last drop of coded content (which would cost a fortune in programmers).

[HappyG]

You didn't understand my point Xest. I do understand how things as MMOs are build up server side, and loot tables are most likely easy to change SQL inputs or sth, however my point was - whole "they can change it from 99.99 to 100" thing is legal, not technical problem. No matter how stupid things seem to be, GOA is not likely to be alowed to change em.

[Cuchuluhain]

Dear Xest

Have you heard about this highly technical thing called FILE PERMISSIONS, it is a new and exciting field of technical excellence that has been around for oh, 50 years or so.

In laymans terms, a file can have multiple levels of permissions, dependant on your system priveleges. Basic levels include, read permission, write permission and delete permission, those are the most basic level permissions. It is rudimentary security for those who get system access to be only granted read access to important or vital system files. To acheive write access a further privelege would be required, and to be able to delete those files, access levels approaching administrator levels, or root as the unix term would be, are required.

Requiel et al, would be 'users' on the server clusters, they would be able to look at files all day long. Making changes however, would require programmer access or root access. It is unlikely that GM's have those priveleges, why do I say this? Well good sir, cast your mind back a little while, does Legion and the dragons rampaging around the old Emain ring any bells? This kind of incident shows why GM level would NOT have sufficient priveleges to make changes to the code base.

Therefore, remove your head from your ass, realise you are, once more, wrong, and that Requiel is being totally honest when saying that he can look at the code and tables, but would have no access (let alone permission), to change it.

Yours

Almighty Cuchuluhain


(ps , Xest=prawned)