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[Mojo]

Well actually its always difficult for the new guy to challenge an established scientific belief, and scientists have been known to cover up evidence that their theories are wrong, and even to fake evidence. They are not all dedicated worshippers at the altar of truth, especially when reputations and money are at stake, but hopefully most are reputable these days.

I agree but eventually they get owned and rightly so, but science, as has been proven since its conception changes it ideas, people who resist the change can't and don't hold out for long.

[Xest]

Logically just because we are not able to prove something exists does not mean it doesn't exist.

For example, the planets we have recently discovered have been around for billions of years, but we have only just proved that they exist, maybe we just haven't got to the stage where we can prove God's existence.

It is much harder to prove something doesn't exist, especially something which you couldn't see even if it did exist.

Nope I know, I'm not suggesting that we have the evidence to prove conclusively that a god doesn't exist certainly, but in the case we did then that would be the obvious answer. We can however prove conclusively that many of the stories in the bible couldn't have happened and we can infer that many religious ideas are wrong by providing conclusive proof for alternative ideas. As I said earlier, this puts science a few thousand years ahead of religion in proving it's case and it is quite literally a matter of time before science can prove conclusively the impossibility of the existence of a god. In some respects it can be proven now, IF you beleive some of the more modern theories, but as with all new scientific ideas it requires a lot of peer review, a lot of scientific practice and further study of the ideas behind these theories before they can be accepted as complete fact. As Kallima quite rightly pointed out, it does take a lot of faith to beleive hands down that all science is correct and to do so would put you almost in the same category as the religious zealots (but not quite because at least some science is undeniably fact), however it's perfectly sensible and reasonable to beleive that long proven ideas are also fact - again, some of which contradict many religious ideas and hence by default, demonstrate that many of those ideas are in fact false.

I think the truly amazing thing is that people can beleive that our ancestors thousands of years ago that wrote many religious scriptures such as the bible know more about how and why the universe exists and came about than people do today, I don't think there's any evidence of a society really devolving in intelligence to that degree (except as Kallima mention, perhaps FH ).

[<ankh>]

I think the truly amazing thing is that people can beleive that our ancestors thousands of years ago that wrote many religious scriptures such as the bible know more about how and why the universe exists and came about than people do today, I don't think there's any evidence of a society really devolving in intelligence to that degree (except as Kallima mention, perhaps FH ).

Most impressive thing is that they belive in a book that was put together 1600 years ago by a bunch of people who handpicked the stories they wanted. Whats even more impressive is that quite alot of the stories ARENT about jesus - but other messiah's..they just renamed the mainchar (check P&T's Bullshit - the episode about the bible...very entertaining/interesting)

/Ankh

[Gandelf]

Science may not start wars

...but it can end wars with dramatic consequences!

Science brought about the greatest loss of life in one single moment of human history. The atom bomb is the conclusive proof! It wasn't religion that destroyed Hiroshima, but science! Without science the atom bomb would not have been created! No other thing (barring natural disasters) in the whole of history as destroyed so many human lives in as short a time as the atom bomb.

Science therefore is the instrument by which more evil can be perpetrated at any moment in time than any other thing.

That's food for thought... and undeniable! Evil science. Good religion!

[Succi]

People trying to explain their religion makes me smile =]


fact is people turned to religion when they were scared and answers about aspects of life they didnt understand, thousands of years ago. nowadays we have science , religion in obselete is many peoples eyes. I wouldnt get annoyed at religion if it kept itself to itself , but it impacts on all of us in modern day society

[<ankh>]

Yeah your right - would have been better if science had made it rain frogs and turned the water into blood. Frogs dropping from high altitude - alot of frogs dead (What had the frogs done wrong?). Try and grow plants or drink blood instead of water - and you will get really sick or die. (the plants wont really survive with blood). And not to forget the darkness to kill the plants..I can't remember the rest what your god was supposed to have done to punish the egypths - but Im sure you know the rest of the story.

Edit: Not to forget Sodom & Gomorra. Its pretty impressive tbh.. "turn the other cheek" doesnt include God himself. With him its more like obey or else!

/Ankh

[Mojo]

...but it can end wars with dramatic consequences!

Science brought about the greatest loss of life in one single moment of human history. The atom bomb is the conclusive proof! It wasn't religion that destroyed Hiroshima, but science! Without science the atom bomb would not have been created! No other thing (barring natural disasters) in the whole of history as destroyed so many human lives in as short a time as the atom bomb.

Science therefore is the instrument by which more evil can be perpetrated at any moment in time than any other thing.

That's food for thought... and undeniable! Evil science. Good religion!

Never mind bombs, remember that Tsunami shit god pulled a few years back. 250,000 dead, 3 million? homeless, loss of livelyhood etc etc.

That's one mean muthafucka u pray to.

[Gandelf]

Never mind bombs, remember that Tsunami **** god pulled a few years back. 250,000 dead, 3 million? homeless, loss of livelyhood etc etc.

That's one mean mutha****a u pray to.

So now you are acknowledging that God exists? There's hope for you yet!

[Mojo]

[quote="Gandelf"]So now you are acknowledging that God exists? There's hope for you yet! ]

Haha

[Gandelf]

Yeah your right - would have been better if science had made it rain frogs and turned the water into blood. Frogs dropping from high altitude - alot of frogs dead (What had the frogs done wrong?). Try and grow plants or drink blood instead of water - and you will get really sick or die. (the plants wont really survive with blood). And not to forget the darkness to kill the plants..I can't remember the rest what your god was supposed to have done to punish the egypths - but Im sure you know the rest of the story.

Edit: Not to forget Sodom & Gomorra. Its pretty impressive tbh.. "turn the other cheek" doesnt include God himself. With him its more like obey or else!

/Ankh

Actually, rainfalls of animals are a confirmed meteorological phenomenon...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raining_animals

Of course, scientists would say that it wasn't God that caused frogs to rain down on Egyptians, but that it was a natural phenomenon that had a scientific explanation.

It annoys me how people who don't believe in God, drag up stories from holy scripture in an attempt to discredit religion. If they don't believe in God, then they cannot accept religion as being divinely inspired, but rather the result of how mankind has evolved to such an extent that religions have formed. As such, when scientists point the finger at religion, they are in fact condemning themselves. Remember, when you point the finger there are three pointing back at yourself!

I still say that science has invented a weapon that has caused greater loss of life in any one SINGLE moment of human history than any religion has.

The words "pipe, that, in, smoke, stick, your, and, it" spring to mind (but not necessarily in that order)!