State of the realm

[Aran_Thule]

Playing the game in different ways in no way stops people playing in the same guild and guilds sharing alliances.

Yes it does, for example:
On one side you have thoose that want /as to be used just for RvR, possibly with just officers able to talk
On the other you have thoose that want everyone to be able to talk on /as about whatever they want.
How can you make an alliance that keeps both sides happy.

If guilds dont make it to any new alliance, then thats thats entirely up to them. Weve found no problems setting rules within the NFD alliance. It's open and adult orientated, ofcourse this doesnt wash well with a minority of people.

if you take the top 20 active guilds and put them in one alliance what happens to all the smaller ones, what happens when guilds reform/split or new ones arrive or when there is conflict between them.
In a perfect world it might be a solution but im afraid i can see no way of it working, all i can see is it causing more segregation/arguments and killing off the smaller guilds.

[Luz]

I think people need to face the fact that the game is dying and we need to act in order for it to work!

Maybe people need to lower their standards and just maybe rethink

"What is most important for me, /as just the way I want it, or game over no daoc?".

Its easy for me, I could live with an /as that works any way, I dont care, I just want DAoC to live on and if that has to be with a spammy /as or whatever I aint to bothered.

[Kallima]

Most people continue to play this game because of their friends.

Its worth messaging six alliances instead of two to avoid messing that up.

Which guilds are happy to get messaged and post raid, group, etc offers on their alliance? Ours is.

[Sharkith]

Yes it does, for example:
On one side you have thoose that want /as to be used just for RvR, possibly with just officers able to talk
On the other you have thoose that want everyone to be able to talk on /as about whatever they want.
How can you make an alliance that keeps both sides happy.


if you take the top 20 active guilds and put them in one alliance what happens to all the smaller ones, what happens when guilds reform/split or new ones arrive or when there is conflict between them.
In a perfect world it might be a solution but im afraid i can see no way of it working, all i can see is it causing more segregation/arguments and killing off the smaller guilds.

In all of this I don't see any threats to anyone in small guilds nor do I see us going through a total reorganisation, especially of the kind your suggesting Aran. As examples they are kind of off the mark of the discussion. For example, on Albion the RvR orientated alliances spoke with Prydwen guilds who were RvR active and hey presto they now have an alliance that can regularly field 5FG fully opted for RvR. What did we do? Why can't we adopt similar models.

I see it like this. It seems to me that there are currently two alliances active on Prydwen. NE Alliance and NFD Alliance. Eclipse is currently very quiet but hopefully are just on a break rather than terminal decline.

We know NE Alliance has quiet relaxed rules for its /as but strict in other senses for good reason. Why then can the NE alliance not look for similar orientated guilds from Excal to bolster its numbers? Or if there are guilds in NE alliance not happy about some of the rules why can't they move on to another alliance with different policies and try to find a better home for themselves.

NFD alliance has much more relaxed rules about posting on /as but to be fair is largely RvR orientated so the rules for the /as reflect the members interests. People are expected to be responsible and they are but language for example is much more relaxed than NE. The two alliances are different but together they offer a good blend of possibilities to excal guilds who would liek to consider merging.

We just never present ourselves as an open possibility, rather we do tend to present ourselves as a take it or leave it thing and because of that outlook we are not adapting.

All of this can be done in a constructive way by simply making a statement about the Alliance and its rules and then posing the question to like minded Excal guilds to come along the door is open. Either that or begin by seriously opening up discussion. What do we have to lose by doing so?

[Satyn]

Understand where Aran is coming from. If i wouldnt have been discussing this in my guild before i would prolly said excatly what Aran said.
I feel that leaving an alliance to go to another alliance can be a good thing yes but stop for a minute and see what the negative affects can be.
In NE we got 3-4 big guilds, if one or two of those guilds left or maybe all of them then what will happen with the rest of the guilds in the alliance? Tbh i dont think that is an option. The best thing is ppl that merge their guilds with other guilds.
Atm i got HDS working closely together with FS, and bluey (little lad is all alone) is involved in everything we do aswell. But Norc and Bluey have their pride, they love their guild and they wont leave it.
I've said it before and i'll say it again, everyone is free to apply for FS private forum to join in in our fun. And if all the big guilds would do that then it would get us a step further in what we are trying to accomplish as a realm: working together

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Understand where Aran is coming from.

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[Sharkith]

Understand where Aran is coming from. If i wouldnt have been discussing this in my guild before i would prolly said excatly what Aran said.
I feel that leaving an alliance to go to another alliance can be a good thing yes but stop for a minute and see what the negative affects can be.
In NE we got 3-4 big guilds, if one or two of those guilds left or maybe all of them then what will happen with the rest of the guilds in the alliance? Tbh i dont think that is an option. The best thing is ppl that merge their guilds with other guilds.
Atm i got HDS working closely together with FS, and bluey (little lad is all alone) is involved in everything we do aswell. But Norc and Bluey have their pride, they love their guild and they wont leave it.
I've said it before and i'll say it again, everyone is free to apply for FS private forum to join in in our fun. And if all the big guilds would do that then it would get us a step further in what we are trying to accomplish as a realm: working together

Satyn,

I get this and to be honest I also understand it. What is called for here is not one path and one solution for all Hibernia. What is called for is a range of responses from each of the Alliances to positively look to bring us closer to like minded people in Excal. I do not see a one alliance solution for the server but I do think we need to consolidate where we can.

Start with what we have and then move from there.

Sharkith

[Aran_Thule]

In all of this I don't see any threats to anyone in small guilds nor do I see us going through a total reorganisation, especially of the kind your suggesting Aran.

Your shifting the discussion from what was a pryd alliance topic to now include pryd/excal, which does of course give other options.

The two alliances are different but together they offer a good blend of possibilities to excal guilds who would liek to consider merging.
We just never present ourselves as an open possibility, rather we do tend to present ourselves as a take it or leave it thing and because of that outlook we are not adapting.

One reason is that a lot of pryd read theese forums and not FH and a lot of excal read FH and not here.
Sinse the cluster ive done my best for communication between us but to little avail.
Yesterday i was making and giving away dimi siege for any that needed it, primetime after adverticing it on FH and /b in DL/Cain/DC, i got all of 1 person who wanted it.
If people are going to work together it has to work both ways and until that happens its a futile task.
You can only give so much before you give up trying.

All of this can be done in a constructive way by simply making a statement about the Alliance and its rules and then posing the question to like minded Excal guilds to come along the door is open. Either that or begin by seriously opening up discussion. What do we have to lose by doing so?

Ok then what i suggest is that each of the present pryd alliances works out a post for themselves showing a link to thier alliance rules and contact details for a couple of people from the most active guilds that would be able to post information onto /as
We can Then Start a thread on FH called Alliance information and hopefully the excal alliances will follow suit.
Then guilds will be able to see all the alliances available and choose the best one that suits them.
Hopefully that will help with the communication issue and get people working together.

[Kallima]

Guilds, pryd or exc, are of course welcome to join alliances. Making that clear is fine. The previous suggestion that all of hib pryd and exc unites under a single common alliance is very different, and I think unworkable. I don't think we can get it down to less than three main alliances covering the clustered Hib for a lot of reasons.

[Sharkith]

Aran,

for me the thread title suggests that I am driving at the most general of issues i.e. the state of the realm. So never for one minute did I think this was solely about prydwen. Yes I agree with you it makes things easier and there is much more potential if we construct it like this. If the realm is to improve we need to go to some considerable effort to blur the lines between Prydwen and Excal.

The most constructive way to do this is to focus on what we have and move from there. I never once was suggesting that this was about the state of Prydwen. I am afraid prydwen is gone the only thing left is the spirit of prydwen that we try to develop and maintain in our play style and in our way on the server. Prydwen thinking is why we are the ones to be thinking like this and as I see it that is all good. Not only if the spirit of prydwen is to survive then we need to do this.

OK now on the methods of working, yes the BG stuff is bad and yes you have done an awful lot to try and get activity. Yes there has been little response. However, from the PUG nights I have enough evidence to believe that once we start interacting more on a daily basis that BG stuff can be resolved. I have a real sense that we can do more - more PUG's would be one way - start building on small groups.

Another idea and this was the one that spurred me to make the thread, albeit slightly provocatively, we can do the same thing with a BG. Why not start having constructive rvr BG's to bring out a hard core of people from both sides of this artificial distinction to show we can play together? Thats all. In order to do this we need that hard core of dedicated people and to run a fortnightly BG event open to all in the same way that we do the PUG. The event next week is exactly what I had in mind only not obviously over two nights. The idea is exactly what we need. But it will only work if we have a dependable hard core of people to support it - hence this thread.

Then the longer term things about restructuring can have meaning once we have played together more. In the long term the only way forward is to 'consider' and open up possibilities for guilds to move around a bit. Nothing threatens anyone here if we do this right and if the current alliances approach this in their own ways - sensitive to their own needs then they can only gain really.

Ok enough for now no more posts in this thread from me until later this evening.

kind regards

Sharkith