Topical Discussion - Please try to get overly angry/upset

[OohhoO]

Synchronicity?
While never scientifically proved (it's kinda hard to prove) it has at least been more or less scientifically postulated

[Lieva]

I didnt know he was going to die. I knew he was very ill but the fact that he was going to die never crossed my mind. Thats why its something I dont understand. I do know that if you're thinking about something then it comes back in your dreams but this was so unlike any other dream.
Well i guess you have to experience it to understand.

why is an explanation needed?
for those who need it - they will make up their own explination to how things occur.
You needed comfort at the time and got it to make his passing easier it seems.
I dont understand it and i cant explain it but it worked so <shrugs> who needs explinations in the end

i cant remember the actual quote but it was something that scientists daughter said in the 'da vinci code' book.

something like

my mind sees things i dont understand and can possibly never explain but my heart tells me i dont need to.

The quote is alot better but its rough

if you believe in god then you dont need to prove him to prove he exsists. He just does. (least thats what i believe - i can look at all the evidence in the world and yes it does point to us not having a god but when i look at the earth around us..it screams that we do )

If you dont believe in god then why try to prove he doesnt exsist or are you trying to prove to yourself you are right?

Faith is not proving nor disproving .. its simply believeing.

(sorry for the not making sence..its early but meh - never an excuse )

[<ankh>]

Animal testing & Animal Cruelty is wrong. It's as easy as that.


/Ankh

[Xest]

I didnt know he was going to die. I knew he was very ill but the fact that he was going to die never crossed my mind. Thats why its something I dont understand. I do know that if you're thinking about something then it comes back in your dreams but this was so unlike any other dream.
Well i guess you have to experience it to understand.

You could've been worried he was going to pass away subconciously though, certainly when someone is very ill I think the possiblity is always in the back of people's minds.

Also as Lairiodd said, the thing about sleep is that the phone ringing could either have been a coincidence or that whilst you're asleep you have no concious perception of time (although your subconcious is till very good at keeping track of it hence why you can decide roughly when to wake up), meaning the dream may actually have ended an hour or two before the phone call. The phone ringing or some other noise will of course have woken you up.

[Ovi]

Animal testing & Animal Cruelty is wrong. It's as easy as that.


/Ankh

Animal cruelty is wrong, that one is fairly easy.

Animial testing I certainly not so easy! As long as it does not involve Cruelty.

[Satyn]

You could've been worried he was going to pass away subconciously though, certainly when someone is very ill I think the possiblity is always in the back of people's minds.

Also as Lairiodd said, the thing about sleep is that the phone ringing could either have been a coincidence or that whilst you're asleep you have no concious perception of time (although your subconcious is till very good at keeping track of it hence why you can decide roughly when to wake up), meaning the dream may actually have ended an hour or two before the phone call. The phone ringing or some other noise will of course have woken you up.

Xest ... but what if it wasnt just a dream?

[Xest]

[quote="Satyn"]Xest ... but what if it wasnt just a dream? ]
If you were asleep then it was a dream

[Satyn]

If you were asleep then it was a dream

haha yeah i know but cant you for once let your imagination run free? oh wait you prolly dont have a problem with doing that with certain euhm .... ppl?

[Gandelf]

On the contrary, isn't it odd that there are so many stories yet not a single one of them has been proven with factual evidence?

Unless you can back up your statement with hard evidence (and I mean every controlled experiment that's been conducted and its results), then you are just generalising and assuming you are correct. And don't go on about the fact that the Laws of Physics are evidence enough to prove that you're right, because that's a flawed argument, as we have already shown.

On the other hand, I am not making any claims for the existence of the supernatural, because I don't have any hard evidence, but if I did I would present it, even though I guess some would still deny it. But, I am not a sceptic and I acknowledge that the supernatural could well be real. However, I suspect that the supernatural is all part of the universe in which we live and if it exists, then one day physics will prove it does.

[Xest]

Unless you can back up your statement with hard evidence (and I mean every controlled experiment that's been conducted and its results), then you are just generalising and assuming you are correct.

Huh? This sounds completely irrelevant to what you quoted, in typical Gandelf fashion you're making no sense whatsoever.

And don't go on about the fact that the Laws of Physics are evidence enough to prove that you're right, because that's a flawed argument, as we have already shown.

Thank you for yet again, for about the 4th time in this thread proving my comment right - that those who beleive in religion will show nothing but ignorance when presented with facts that go against their beleifs. You haven't proven a thing, you've only ignored the facts I've presented that act as hard evidence against your beleifs, but as I say I can't complain, you're acheiving nothing but proving my point precisely. I've yet to see you provide any evidence whatsoever that god exists, that the miracles in the bible ever really happened however. Perhaps you should go take a digital camera and film yourself being eaten by a whale and surviving for days because your faith is so strong god will obviously let you live right and it doesn't matter if the digital camera gets wet because god wont let a silly thing like physics get in the way of faith will he? Oh wait no sorry I forgot miracles are only allowed to happen thousands of years ago whilst there's no one else whatsoever around to verify the story. Again, to clarify where your understanding is going wrong Gandelf it's that you're making a horribly large and flawed assumption, that just because a few principles of physics are in debate such as the principle of locality that other physics principles are incorrect. This is outright false, many physics theorems are completely undisputably proven to be true as are many scientific ideas in general. Like Cryn, you're merely generalising claiming that because some physics theory has been changed in the past that all must be wrong, this couldn't be further from the truth. Also when looking at ideas such as the principle of locality you'll find that it still is a work in progress, that is that although it's wrong it's a building block in our understanding of space, time and cosmology. This is a very big contrast to say, Newtons laws which are very complete, there are bounds to the ideas they support (i.e. they don't work when dealing with the speed of light). To claim the principle of locality is an example of physical sciences being flawed is in fact equivalent to saying "Any physics principle or theory has to be correct first time and isn't allowed any further iterations". As time goes on principles and theories begin to be set in stone as corrections are made to different cases to the point where many older ideas are perfectly accurate and don't need any amendments whatsoever and it's these alone that can prove large portions of religious history and ideas as being impossible.

On the other hand, I am not making any claims for the existence of the supernatural, because I don't have any hard evidence, but if I did I would present it, even though I guess some would still deny it. But, I am not a sceptic and I acknowledge that the supernatural could well be real. However, I suspect that the supernatural is all part of the universe in which we live and if it exists, then one day physics will prove it does.

Oh so it's okay if one day physics proves the supernatural does exist but current rules of physics, despite many of them being proven as complete and perfected aren't good enough proof that many miracles are impossible as is the existence of god? That's damn convenient Gandelf wouldn't you say?

No doubt you'll ignore the facts and come back with nothing more than "You're wrong cos I say so" yet again, but then I guess we can't really expect anything more than horribly weak arguments from someone who's built his life around beleiving that thousands of years old story books are factual. I wont bother trying to explain it to you anymore Gandelf as you're repeatedly proving yourself simply too dumb to understand and too brainwashed to even want to try and understand.

In some ways religion is a poor mans science, that is, it's an explanation for things we don't understand without the need to provide any facts or evidence whatsoever. That's great if you're willing to accept such a simple explanation for the universe and our existence, but if you'd rather know the truth it's much better to spend the time studying the sciences and finding out for yourself what the deal really is.