Poisonspikes - changing back

Gahn · Post by **Gahn** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:32 pm

Ankh Morpork wrote:You are aware that its a game mate?

/Ankh

Ofc i do, altho i pay em good money to play it so i see it more as a service mate

Takitothemacs · Post by **Takitothemacs** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:32 pm

Ankh Morpork wrote:You are aware that its a game mate?

/Ankh

and Im sure you remember its also a service that we all pay for.

Sharkith · Post by **Sharkith** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:32 pm

ankhs wrote: ofcourse, but if they are just here to post how happy they are they quit I dont see the point.

/Ankh

they don't just do that though you egiit

Ankh Morpork · Post by **Ankh Morpork** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:34 pm

Takitothemacs wrote:and Im sure you remember its also a service that we all pay for.

Yes, but you act like if its the end of the world sometimes..and that part I really cant understand as its just a game.

/Ankh

Takitothemacs · Post by **Takitothemacs** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:40 pm

Ankh Morpork wrote:Yes, but you act like if its the end of the world sometimes..and that part I really cant understand as its just a game.

/Ankh

never said it was the end of the world, but I would like to see them doing a proper job of providing the service that we pay for and not changing things that they shouldnt. And I continue to play the game as I still enjoy the game overall, I love the people and I love the release that the world of DAOC provides me, I dont have the time or energy to start again on US and it just annoys me when GOA make changes that affect gameplay adversly. If mythic make changes I accept that (might not like it) but GOA are a hosting company and should not make game mechanic/feature changes that are not sanctioned by the game devs.

Ankh Morpork · Post by **Ankh Morpork** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:45 pm

Takitothemacs wrote:never said it was the end of the world, but I would like to see them doing a proper job of providing the service that we pay for and not changing things that they shouldnt. And I continue to play the game as I still enjoy the game overall, I love the people and I love the release that the world of DAOC provides me, I dont have the time or energy to start again on US and it just annoys me when GOA make changes that affect gameplay adversly. If mythic make changes I accept that (might not like it) but GOA are a hosting company and should not make game mechanic/feature changes that are not sanctioned by the game devs.

and clearly you didnt fully read my post cos I didnt say that my comment was aimed to this specific post.

/Ankh

Takitothemacs · Post by **Takitothemacs** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:47 pm

Oh I read it alright, was just explaining my reasons

Ovi · Post by **Ovi** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:15 pm

Ankh Morpork wrote:not aimed at this specific post, but some people clearly seem to have loads of aggro towards GoA...but what I cant understand is if you got so much aggro why you still hang around? Same goes to alot of people who quit daoc and still hang around in the forum repeating 'thank god I quit' (well, kind of anyway). Not defending goa or saying what the main post was about is right/wrong..just something I thought I'd mention

/Ankh

As one of those saying "Thank god I quit" I apologise. I usually try to make a point of not saying things like that, unfortunately I the nature of the thread made me slip up

Takitothemacs wrote: I quoted that in its entirety. Sanya was saying they are unsure of why GOA made a change like that and why, but that the poisonspike should be useable in combat. to paraphrase, also GOA saying that they will have to change it back is an admittance that they got it wrong.

No it means SOMEONE got it wrong, in some way. There are many ways that this situation could occur with mistakes being made anywhere from GoA to Mythic and back again.

Gahn wrote: Don't wanna bash Requiel about anything but (quoting 2 diff posts by him) "Because at the time we were led to believe that Mythic were going to make this change." clashes with "As you should very well know Takit, we don't change things like that because we 'think' it needs fixing. I'm sure you can remember any number of bugs reported by you and other E&Es that had to wait for Mythic to either fix or sanction our fix, that's an inviolable rule and we never, ever change things liek that on our own initiative."]

No those two points don't clash. Goa were lead to believe, by Mythic, that they would be making the change, therefore they didn't make the change because they thought it needed fixing, but because they had been told it would be fixed.

I am not a fan of GoA, and it is possible that the problem was a mistake by them. However some of the posts in this thread are assuming way to much from the information given, purely to give Goa a hard time.

Sharkith · Post by **Sharkith** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:20 pm

Ovi wrote: No those two points don't clash. Goa were lead to believe, by Mythic, that they would be making the change, therefore they didn't make the change because they thought it needed fixing, but because they had been told it would be fixed.

Ovi,

from my understanding you have mixed this up (now we are seriously beating this with a dead fish) they actually did the change assuming that Mythic would fix it later. Unfortunately Mythic went something like - "We have no idea where you got that idea from!" It clearly looked like a mixup in communications. Takit has brought it to our attention and Requiel has tried to clarify. In the middle of that all is the explanation.

Post by **Xest** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:29 pm

TBH I've said many a time in the past that part the reason I post about how much better the US servers are is because quite frankly I hate seeing GOA getting away with providing such a dire service and just outright ripping customers off in comparison. I'm not going to repeat that mantra anymore because people get defensive, I guess because they simply don't want to acknowledge that they're getting a poor deal however I will say that putting your money where you mouth is and going to the US servers is the best thing you can do. I re-rolled Merlin just under a year ago now, playing from scratch I now have:
Fully arti'd and SC'd:
50 Merc, 40k rps ML1, 2, 4, 6, 8 done
50 Cabby, 90k rps ML8
50 Scout, 45k rps ML8
50 Theurgist, 2.1mill rps ML10
50 Necro, 10k rps ML8
50 Infil, 2k rps ML3
50 Minstrel, 850k rps, ML10
50 Cleric, 100k rps, ML8
Not Arti'd and SC'd
50 Sorc, 0 rps ML1, 2, 4, 6, 8 done

That's 9 50s, over 3mill rps and a whole bunch of artis and MLs done in just short of 12months, as I work a 40hr week, have been abroad for 2 entire months of the year and am doing an Open Uni degree in my spare time and still having chance to go out a fair bit I don't personally agree it's that hard to roll from scratch anymore - definetely not so with 1.81 just a few weeks away, also ToA is free now and Catacombs + DR are purchaseable and downloadable from Mythic via the logon screen so starting afresh couldn't be more straightforward or easy IMO.

One reason not to leave maybe for the community but that community is still accessible here, hence why I still hang around meaning I can have to some extent the best of both worlds. I'm not posting to get into the old US vs. EU debate but instead to answer your question Ankh as to why I left the server yet still post here and to clear up misconceptions people may have about starting afresh.

Just for the sake of sanity, I'll post it once more, this isn't intended to turn into the old EU vs. US debate but this is a factual account of my personal experience in putting my money where my mouth is and that if you really are unhappy with GOA, then you can certainly do something about it, if you don't want to do something about it then it's probably best to stop complaining as track record shows GOA just aint gonna change.