Buffing - a thought / fix / change for the better

Post by **Xest** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:02 pm

Cuchuluhain wrote:and have you seen how much damage they can do whilst buffed?

I have to have a window of opportunity whilst my guys are still alive to hit them with that debuff. If they open up first, i can only be reactive NOT proactive.

does light bend around you at all Xest?

DI gives you plenty of time to buffstrip. Sorry Cuch, you can try and argue it all you want but ALL the good clerics/druids I know find chance to use their buffstrips. The fact you didn't even know how they work shows a lot of ignorance about your own class and how to play it effectively.

Post by **Lieva** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:09 pm

easy guys...

Cuchuluhain · Post by **Cuchuluhain** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:52 pm

*snorts at Xest*

Yeah, right.

I state - I dont have time to use the shears

Xest states - you dont know how to use the class

I state - I dont have time to use the shears because Im busy performing my primary role - that of MAIN healer

Xest states - you dont know how to use the class

I state - I dont use the shears because its too damn awkward to fumble with quickbars to fire them off and still keep healing

Xest states - you dont know how to use the class

I state - when I get several quickbars I`ll bother with them, til then I`ll just keep on healing.

Xest states - you dont know how to use the class

Right, sure Xest, whatever makes you feel better, I dont know to how play the class, I got to 5L4 being absolutely clueless about the class, despite being the one resposible for keeping my group upright and fighting the majority of conflicts. Ive been along on god alone knows how many relic raids and keep takes, lead several raids, done mls, farmed, kitted and leveled players without number. Yet, I dont know how to play my own class.

fabulous deduction there, really, genius in action.,

heres another one for you

Post by **Lieva** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:57 pm

naughty cuch

but the cartoon was funny

locking this thread and seeing if i can split/reopen tomorrow

Post by **Lieva** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:08 am

okies unlocking thread again. Please dont critasize anyones playing skills or get personal again though please. This is a serious discussion however it is based on a game so dont make it personal.

Bugzy · Post by **Bugzy** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:34 am

Xest wrote:DI gives you plenty of time to buffstrip. Sorry Cuch, you can try and argue it all you want but ALL the good clerics/druids I know find chance to use their buffstrips. The fact you didn't even know how they work shows a lot of ignorance about your own class and how to play it effectively.

Not true.

Mids and to a certain degree albs are able of unleashing so much damage that DI2 for instance will go down instantly. Against low rr groups and PUG's that might not be the case but vs. people like PE and the such, a caster assist train or even a tank assist train should and would be dealing easily 1k+ every 2 seconds on a single character.

That means DI2 will be up 4 seconds roughly, DI 3 roughly 6. Sure you may be able to get in one buff sheer then but heals will be mandatory as soon as DI goes down to keep realm mates alive.

Ok, so 2 druids with DI3, 12 seconds ish vs. a well-formed group to buff sheer. Probably enough but then, i feel relying on DI to keep people alive isnt the good thing as you may suffer from adds, crits and general bad luck. Not to mention DI 2 isn't up every minute.

stupeh · Post by **stupeh** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:09 pm

It is true that the 'good' clerics and druids find time to shear though... Btw Cuch, Xest didn't say you can't play the class, he said you aren't playing it as effectively as you could.

Post by **Lieva** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:20 pm

isnt that the same?

but again i repeat - no personal comments.

stupeh · Post by **stupeh** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:53 pm

Isn't what the same? Not being able to play the class, or play it effectively? No, it's not, as Cuch says himself he is able to heal and keep his group alive well, but can't find the time to shear.

Being able to heal on a druid/cleric is only half of what you can do (if specced that way) but it doesn't mean you can't play the class if that's all you're able to do, some people find it difficult to be switching through so many qbars doing many different things, as said it'll probably be easier after the patch as there are multiple qbars on the screen.

Post by **Xest** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 1:17 pm

stupeh wrote:Isn't what the same? Not being able to play the class, or play it effectively? No, it's not, as Cuch says himself he is able to heal and keep his group alive well, but can't find the time to shear.

Being able to heal on a druid/cleric is only half of what you can do (if specced that way) but it doesn't mean you can't play the class if that's all you're able to do, some people find it difficult to be switching through so many qbars doing many different things, as said it'll probably be easier after the patch as there are multiple qbars on the screen.

Exactly - as I said elsewhere, it's like a healer using his Mending line but not his Pac line. Sure he can heal but he's nowhere near as effective as he could be if he used his pac line. The fact is Cuch has admitted that he doesn't use his Nurture line fully which also infers that he doesn't play his class to the full - there's nothing I've said that Cuch hasn't admitted himself. Besides if the facts clearly infer Cuch isn't playing the class to it's full potential as they do in this case then it doesn't matter if I say it or not it's still clear for all to see.

It is also a fact however, that as I pointed out, good clerics/druids always manage to find time to chuck a sheer or so in. The biggest problem is though Cuch, earlier on your were claiming you find time to buff mid fight which contradicts entirely what you're saying now - that you only have time to heal. It's all about paying attention to the way the battle rolls out of course, but if say a friendly eldritch has just been res'd and is res sick you'd do far better spending your time acuity sheering the full strength sorc that isn't res sick than you would acuity buffing the friendly eld - besides, on my Theurg I just pop an acuity charge on my immo ring to save the clerics from buffing that if I die.

Bugzy - Warlord, Banelord, BoF, BAoD, DI, EM, PD, AoM, SB, Bodyguard are all ways of limiting damage taken directly then things like TwF, ST and so on all indirectly lower the damage taken by your group, use them effectively and there's more than enough time to sheer. The druid alone can't bare the burden of sheering if the rest of their group is crappy, but providing they're all playing to a decent level with decent equipment and such then there's no reason a druid/cleric can't find time to sheer - vs. a Mid group it's generally a case of sheer or be sheered and lose.