Raid leaders claiming loot discussion -- split from Rowennas Ml rush

Puppet · Post by **Puppet** » Fri May 27, 2005 7:39 am

Elrandhir wrote:Yes, and I think that instead of raidleaders being the ones who are greedy, it's those thinking that the raidleaders shouldent get this, is the ones that are... really "GREEDY".

Personally I think a ML-rush organization isnt all that big of a deal. It is often way harder to organize a pre-step raid, especially for the lower seasoned / new-comers to the realm / unguilded then making a post on a forum, which is in most cases a typical Cut-Copy-Paste for 90% from another message done before, and zerg your way through the BG-steps.

I know it sounds harsh, but that's my personal PoV. And in my personal case you can hardly call it greed (the part: it's those thinking that the raidleaders shouldent get this, is the ones that are... really "GREEDY".) because on those Mass-ML-raids I only join up to get credit and at most times dont even stay around for the lotto.

And as said also: Its his ML-raids; he can do what he likes, ofcourse. By joining the BG and going with the crowd, you basically agree with the rules from the leader and are bound to those. I know that, and I respect those.

Regardless, wishing you the best with the ML-rush.

Jarahl · Post by **Jarahl** » Fri May 27, 2005 3:11 pm

Im not that fond of preclaiming tbh, only thing I really dont care that much about is the Remains which is a fair "payment" for organizing a ML raid if you ask me, cus it is not really that hard!

Elrandhir · Post by **Elrandhir** » Fri May 27, 2005 3:44 pm

Jarahl wrote:Im not that fond of preclaiming tbh, only thing I really dont care that much about is the Remains which is a fair "payment" for organizing a ML raid if you ask me, cus it is not really that hard!

err, well dunno why I continue this because Il probably just be deleted by Nana, but if the Raidleader don´t give sheat about remains then what?

he still should be able to get something for taking the time to leading raid shouldent he?

hm.. why even continue as it will never end anyways, but those who think raidleaders deserve nothing should lead the raids they need instead "Still know that most probably agrees on this, just don´t understand people that don´t" ;P

Rowenna · Post by **Rowenna** » Fri May 27, 2005 5:58 pm

I have no use of remains myself and i an try to get my druied a armor witch is not costing me a fortune as i mowed to this server from Alb side of Excalibur and i dont have like many out here several plats

And some wannt remains i do not wannt them

Also some here saying its wrong of a ml rusher to preclaim most of us who are preclaim on witch site of game you are Alb mid or hib Ml leader is preclaim to get somethinbg of hold raids

i have done a bit over 65 ml raids now and i have preclaimad at 4 times of that as Alb and as i know play a druid on prywden i have to try get the druied some of the items of my team plathe and solo mobs with it is not easy

And i will do Presteps group over the next days fore all needed to complet Ml rush

will post on the forums and give dates and time in evning

No ML raid this Evning i have mowed all of its a week ahead becuse of Allergy attack and i dont wanna play and run any now with have allergy

Elrandhir · Post by **Elrandhir** » Fri May 27, 2005 6:00 pm

Rowenna wrote:I have no use of remains myself and i an try to get my druied a armor witch is not costing me a fortune as i mowed to this server from Alb side of Excalibur and i dont have like many out here several plats

And some wannt remains i do not wannt them

Also some here saying its wrong of a ml rusher to preclaim most of us who are preclaim on witch site of game you are Alb mid or hib Ml leader is preclaim to get somethinbg of hold raids

i have done a bit over 65 ml raids now and i have preclaimad at 4 times of that as Alb and as i know play a druid on prywden i have to try get the druied some of the items of my team plathe and solo mobs with it is not easy

just say what you need and take it if they do drop, people that have a problem with this can aswell go do something else imo..

*And I see you have stated what you need, and seems more then fair

Kesxex · Post by **Kesxex** » Fri May 27, 2005 6:04 pm

Seeing it from the other point of view - that of a raid leader - it is ok if it is stated in the rules front up and stated in BG when it starts.

Organising the raid is not that much trouble, in that I agree with Puppet. Running the raid and the inevitable lotto "greed agro" is.

Btw, Rowenna, you might want to change following passage:

*Group leaders ONLY stick to me( Placador/caby ). This enables faster break-offs when required.

I think it would surprise a lot of people if led by a Cabbie on a Hib raid.

If I get the prereqs done, I will bring the full monty for Cetus (have 3 rubies and nearly double tank gear).

Jarahl · Post by **Jarahl** » Sat May 28, 2005 7:59 am

Rowenna wrote:I have no use of remains myself and i an try to get my druied a armor witch is not costing me a fortune as i mowed to this server from Alb side of Excalibur and i dont have like many out here several plats

And some wannt remains i do not wannt them

Also some here saying its wrong of a ml rusher to preclaim most of us who are preclaim on witch site of game you are Alb mid or hib Ml leader is preclaim to get somethinbg of hold raids

i have done a bit over 65 ml raids now and i have preclaimad at 4 times of that as Alb and as i know play a druid on prywden i have to try get the druied some of the items of my team plathe and solo mobs with it is not easy

And i will do Presteps group over the next days fore all needed to complet Ml rush

will post on the forums and give dates and time in evning

No ML raid this Evning i have mowed all of its a week ahead becuse of Allergy attack and i dont wanna play and run any now with have allergy

I know you from alb, but just because you need the items, doesnt make it fair to pre-claim it, but that is my oppinion, which I am entiteled to have

And I have done ML Raids as well on alb, so dont speak to me like im some noob who dont know shit.

Jarahl · Post by **Jarahl** » Sat May 28, 2005 8:01 am

[quote="Elrandhir"]err, well dunno why I continue this because Il probably just be deleted by Nana, but if the Raidleader don´t give sheat about remains then what?

he still should be able to get something for taking the time to leading raid shouldent he?

hm.. why even continue as it will never end anyways, but those who think raidleaders deserve nothing should lead the raids they need instead "Still know that most probably agrees on this, just don´t understand people that don´t" ]

They do get something, they get the ML step, the gratiture of others and the joy feeling of helping out their realm! I have never pre-claimed anything, and would never do so, but thats just my oppinion, which im entiteled to have

Elrandhir · Post by **Elrandhir** » Sat May 28, 2005 9:03 am

Jarahl wrote:They do get something, they get the ML step, the gratiture of others and the joy feeling of helping out their realm! I have never pre-claimed anything, and would never do so, but thats just my oppinion, which im entiteled to have

That is your opinion and choice then Jarahl, those who lead are entiteled to something imo, and that you don´t belive so dosent chance much ;P

And I don´t really care about if you have never lead any raid atall or 100 raids, because that dosent make what you say more right

Jarahl · Post by **Jarahl** » Sat May 28, 2005 1:15 pm

[quote="Elrandhir"]That is your opinion and choice then Jarahl, those who lead are entiteled to something imo, and that you don´t belive so dosent chance much ]

True

Was just explaining my reasons.