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[Gamblor]

Mmm Fish Cake .. or am i confused again ? :gamblor:

[Heta]

What happend ?

did you use your own blood writing that?

[Mojo]

did you use your own blood writing that?

No, I use babies for my blood writing.

[Alexandrinus]

i come back to my computer and wondered what happened to this tread from this morning on,and then i logged in daoc website and here we have it ----->prydwen server down hehehe

[Xest]

Naming and shaming is good because without it people begin to beleive they can get away with it. People need to be named and shamed so any other would be theives will think twice and decide whether the object they wish to steal is more important to them than what they could potentially lose - i.e. access to community raids or such in this case. If no one gets blamed, told of or punished in any way then it'll slowly become thought of as acceptable, as soon as the "He did it and got away with it so why can't I" attitude settles in then it'll really get bad.

These kinda threads are perfect example how we can furthermore break up the community spirit of this fine server/mmorpg. Its totally immature to even hope that anything even remotely like this, would ever really help anything or anyone : When you point a blame on someone for certain reaons, its can still be right and just (even then it most likely doesn't help at all), but brining it up to the crowd that 1. wasn't there 2. dont have a clue 3. wants to burn all the witches, you actually only cause havoc and arguement. This is VERY clearly shown around the past GOV - incidents. What did we gain from that? Absofregginlutely nothing.

Actually you gained a fair bit, you gained the knowledge of ensuring BG loot commands are always set, the knowledge of knowing some people can't be trusted with loot.

When anyone leading, or taking part in a big social even such as raid, ther is ALWAYS the change that a evil lurker ends up there aswell, and there is no way to avoid this to happen.

No but there are ways to cut it down - name and shame known theives and trouble causers so that people know these people might/will cause problems on a raid and hence can keep them out of the raid.

Let his GM's know, no GM likes a bad member => bad name for the guild. If he ruined intentionally a raid, just /bg remove target and type small announcement that the asshat was thrown out

Hypocrit? As each member in the BG who's been screwed over mentions on their guild chat or alliance chat that so and so was just thrown at for stealing or whatever as they do then this is no different to mentioning it on the forums.

Also, very importantly : Brining this kind of events out from the situation to the public forums you gain absolutely nothing constructive. When 900 people read the post and answer without knowing what REALLY hapenned, its clear it causes arguement and divides people to camps against each other

Generally this why forums have a reply button, so that both sides of the story can be told. If it does descend into outright flames instead of discussion or debate then that's why we have moderators and Lairiodd, Banana or I will be more than happy to step in to clear out the junk and if really need be, lock the thread.

Also brining individual for crowd to stone, totally removes the chance that this individual could apoplogy (and that it would be heard) and with black list he could never again attempt to fix his behavior, GREAT result isn't it?

Actually in the past where apologies have been made a lot of people have posted in a more forgiving attitude, some haven't but that's the price you pay for doing something wrong, if you screw people over whilst an apology may cause some to forgive you have to accept that others simply wont - hence, just don't steal if you can't accept the consequences and that even with an apology, some may not forgive you still.

Now when I think of it a bit further. Who are you anyway? By the record you got 1 public raid on your belt, and 1 coming. And you're already blaming people even tho (Alexandrinus) nothing has even yet hapenned? Such Albionism / Freddys Housingishm. If you want to have even slightest credibility among the wellknown raidleader names of prydwen / hibernia then omg please even list your own toons!!

Unneeded, if you think raid leading is a penis waving contest then you shouldn't be doing it, leading for ego boosts is a sign of a very bad leader. Why does he need credibility amongst existing well known raid leaders? If he's a good leader people will follow him whether or not 'other leaders' like him. Do you really think I gave a damn what a certain other leader thought of me when I was leading raids on Prydwen? Not at all but I still led and tried to help realm mates get the items and hit the goals they wanted and hopefully others will agree I had at least some success in that. I repeat, leading is not some kind of popularity contest.

We cannot stop all kind of people doing toons on pry/hib, we cannot choose the people joining our raid.

Not if they don't know who they can and can't trust, hence why blacklisting is a great way of avoiding unwanted types on raids - sure some will slip through the net, sure some new ones will come along and get to ruin a raid once in a while but at least you wont have the same offenders repeatedly screwing over every raid.

[Gitt]

Hmm, it seems that people still enjoy a good old witch-hunt...

The fact that the initial thread was little more than an antagonistic threat against the community in advance of any crime actually being commited (or at least any crime that was mentioned or substantiated) seems to have escaped the mindless pack who immediately started baying for blood.

I'm sorry, but I fail to see that this thread is a search for justice, or some righteous campaign to improve the community.. all I see is a mob of pathetic bully's looking for a victim to make themselves feel big.

If a crime has been commited then by all means mention it, name the individual, provide evidence against them and give them the opportunity to defend themselves BEFORE building the bonfire.... but starting threads like this before any transgression has even occured is just inviting the kind of thoughtless hysteria seen in the majority of the replies.

[Nejtun]

Hmm, it seems that people still enjoy a good old witch-hunt...

The fact that the initial thread was little more than an antagonistic threat against the community in advance of any crime actually being commited (or at least any crime that was mentioned or substantiated) seems to have escaped the mindless pack who immediately started baying for blood.

I'm sorry, but I fail to see that this thread is a search for justice, or some righteous campaign to improve the community.. all I see is a mob of pathetic bully's looking for a victim to make themselves feel big.

If a crime has been commited then by all means mention it, name the individual, provide evidence against them and give them the opportunity to defend themselves BEFORE building the bonfire.... but starting threads like this before any transgression has even occured is just inviting the kind of thoughtless hysteria seen in the majority of the replies.

but if you notice gitt a few people started defending themselves before ANYBODY was accused of ANYTHING !

[Xest]

Hmm, it seems that people still enjoy a good old witch-hunt...

The fact that the initial thread was little more than an antagonistic threat against the community in advance of any crime actually being commited (or at least any crime that was mentioned or substantiated) seems to have escaped the mindless pack who immediately started baying for blood.

I'm sorry, but I fail to see that this thread is a search for justice, or some righteous campaign to improve the community.. all I see is a mob of pathetic bully's looking for a victim to make themselves feel big.

If a crime has been commited then by all means mention it, name the individual, provide evidence against them and give them the opportunity to defend themselves BEFORE building the bonfire.... but starting threads like this before any transgression has even occured is just inviting the kind of thoughtless hysteria seen in the majority of the replies.

Don't be silly, we have Gandelf's threads to bully in and make ourselves feel big.

[Alexandrinus]

but if you notice gitt a few people started defending themselves before ANYBODY was accused of ANYTHING !

ooohh what a grinn :ninja:

[Luon]

Quinlan is a thief and a public menace to community imo ban him from pryd.net