Planning a smoking area?

[Tuthmes]

I understand that I could get cancer regardless of what I do,

Pause here a sec, think about what you just said.

but if I got cancer, particularly terminal cancer because of someone elses smoke don't you see that as a little unfair?

See you opening line. And anyways, there are so many external factors that can cause cancer. Let's start by car smoke, light drinks, building materials, chips, etc, etc. The list is looong.

It's frankly manslaughter through negligence. What if your smoking had been responsible for your mum's cancer? Wouldn't that make you feel in the slightest bit guilty and make you realise smoking is bad and a habit that really needs to be stamped out?

You can never say someone got the cancer, through this or that, for 100%. Smoking isnt healthy, no. So is driving to hard, eating too much/fat, drinking to much alcohol, etc, etc. Imho with that attitude you should do something about MC Donnalds & friend aswell.
The hex against smoking and smokers in general is way out of proportion. I can't smoke on the train station anymore, even when its outside. Seriously just think about how stupid this is.

[Sharkith]

ah a thread about people who love directing abuse at others because of a habit they have.

All that stuff on the dangers of passive smoking is not proven just speculation. Its the semantics you should be paying attention to and how society allows some people to paint second hand smoke as dangerous.

It could as easily be the methane out of farts except for some reason if the public health bods tried that one people would laugh at them...

[Takitothemacs]

addiction is not necessarily determined by the drug but by the genetic, physical and mental make up of an individual.

Some people are given to addiction from birth, others arent.

Those who are addicted to something need to admit it, those who think they arent addicted to anything reassess themselves and ascertain what your drug of choice is... dont worry if you cannot identify that you are addicted to something... denial is usually the first reaction

[Xest]

You can never say someone got the cancer, through this or that, for 100%

No but you can say that smoking is a potential (and needless) cause for sure, you can also say that it's been proven to at least cause some cases of cancer, some of which were terminal. What I don't understand with this whole "smoking isn't the only cause" attitude is that people seem to be suggesting there's a number of acceptable deaths caused by smoking. Surely even one death caused by a non-necessary habit is too many?

Imho with that attitude you should do something about MC Donnalds & friend aswell.

The difference with McD's and off course the other favourite, alcohol is that by consuming these products you aren't forcing anyone else to suffer the side effects. I could eat 20 McDonalds meals a day and it wouldn't have any effect on the guy sat across from me but if I smoked just 1 cigarette it would - the same goes for alcohol.

I can't smoke on the train station anymore, even when its outside. Seriously just think about how stupid this is.

Awww, you can't pollute outside and force anyone else who passes through the area you're in whilst your smoking or for the long period the smoke lingers around afterwards to breathe in those dangerous chemicals? Life must be hard, really, my heart bleeds.

[Tuthmes]

No but you can say that smoking is a potential (and needless) cause for sure, you can also say that it's been proven to at least cause some cases of cancer, some of which were terminal. What I don't understand with this whole "smoking isn't the only cause" attitude is that people seem to be suggesting there's a number of acceptable deaths caused by smoking. Surely even one death caused by a non-necessary habit is too many?

Surely there are many more reason's, substance's, mental illness's, etc, etc that lead to death? Why be hypocritical and pursue smoking in a rediculess hard manner?

The difference with McD's and off course the other favourite, alcohol is that by consuming these products you aren't forcing anyone else to suffer the side effects. I could eat 20 McDonalds meals a day and it wouldn't have any effect on the guy sat across from me but if I smoked just 1 cigarette it would - the same goes for alcohol.

Well i'm not asking you to stop driving your car aswell, now am i? Nor when you're bbq'ing, i'm telling you to stop it. You could offer me to go out and eat at McD's, etc, etc.

Awww, you can't pollute outside and force anyone else who passes through the area you're in whilst your smoking or for the long period the smoke lingers around afterwards to breathe in those dangerous chemicals? Life must be hard, really, my heart bleeds.

Less with the immature flaming Xest, try having a normal discussion for once. Still i'd rather have you smoke next to me, then smell bad or fart in my general direction.
All in all, you are robbing me from the oppertunity to kill myself and paying you in the process.

[Xest]

All that stuff on the dangers of passive smoking is not proven just speculation.

Global warming isn't real either and Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.

Reports sponsored by Exxon mobil and the Whitehouse.

[Tuthmes]

Global warming isn't real either and Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.

Reports sponsored by Exxon mobil and the Whitehouse.

And smoking insta kills you and your friends, 100% true.

*Reports sponsered by the anti smoking lobby (ex smokers) and advertised by Xest.*

[OohhoO]

Global warming isn't real either and Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.

Reports sponsored by Exxon mobil and the Whitehouse.

Witches were Minions of the Devil & Jews were responsible for all the evils in the world in the 1930's.

The American government probably directly causes more deaths each year than smoking causes indirectly. Let's just get rid of it shall we?

What a load of bullshit.
Using pathetic arguements to justify intolerance & discrimination.

[Tuthmes]

Witches were Minions of the Devil & Jews were responsible for all the evils in the world in the 1930's.

The American government probably directly causes more deaths each year than smoking causes indirectly. Let's just get rid of it shall we?

What a load of bullshit.
Using pathetic arguements to justify intolerance & discrimination.

And this would be another way of looking at it. Wonder how many american bombs have killed innocent people over the years, hmmm?

[Xest]

Surely there are many more reason's, substance's, mental illness's, etc, etc that lead to death? Why be hypocritical and pursue smoking in a rediculess hard manner?

Because you can't help mental illness, you can stop smoking. Most other harmful things have laws surrounding them, you can get drunk but if you get agressive and hit someone you'll be done for GBH. You can drive, but if you drive dangerously you'll be done under road safety laws. The difference with smoking is you can do it, but as of now in the UK there is not yet any law stopping you harming other people with it, this is going to change and quite rightly so.

All in all, you are robbing me from the oppertunity to kill myself and paying you in the process.

But you're not just killing yourself, that's just it.

Honestly I'd have no problem with smoking if it didn't effect others but it does, if say, smokers were forced to wear a sealed helmet that had oxygen pumped into breathe whilst smoking but were forced to breathe every single little bit of smoke in themselves, or at least if they had to pay for a device that somehow magically neutralised all the fumes then fair enough, I'd be all for it but until then it does effect other people and that's the real issue. It'd even be a start if smokers were refused treatment for lung cancer and such on the NHS such that they had to pay for it themselves but even that's not the case right now, so even if passive smoking were harmless it's still bogging down our health system somewhat. Again you've used McDonalds as an example - in the UK they not so long ago passed law that treatment can be refused for people overweight through their own fault, this, along with the mentionings of drunk and disorderly laws, driving safety laws and so forth illustrates that smoking is actually one of the least cracked down on habits so far, is it therefore any wonder that it's finally seeing it's turn and therefore being "picked on" as smokers seem to think?