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Ok a lot more has been said in the thread since yesterday. Wyst you are probably aware that there is a significant contradiction in your post and Belis was right to point that out. If guilds and significant people are now in some sort of endgame, and I think there is an endgame, then it is up to those guilds and persons to decide where their interests best lie. My advice is that those groups should face the facts and grasp the nettle.

Perhaps some alliances also need to understand this and try to accommodate it by changing their approach.

No-one can make a decision for either and its their choice what they do. Having the discussion here might enable people to decide to do something about it. Either way guilds and alliances now need to confront if they need to change or become more positive about defining themselves. On this point I disagree with Aran quite profoundly but this is because in the game I have quite a different philosophy.

For me the idea that people in an alliance and guild all have similar outlooks is idealistic in the extreme. There is a danger for me that this view will gloss over differences and fail to recognise that people want different things from the game. Idealistic views of the game also gloss over differences within guilds and across alliances and risk failing to recognise when people are moving through the game towards this endgame as it where. When people express differences they then have to be controlled in some way and difference is not easily tolerated because the ideals can be threatened by disagreements. Wyst displays that idealism in his post above by for example characterising alliances as being for this or that player, I would like to say directly that that kind of idealism simply glosses over differences and fails to recognise that people are moving on very quickly. Sorry but that is my opinion.

Idealism has a big strength however precisely because it ignores those differences. It is however not the kind of way I like to interact with my peers because it stifles rather than encourages debate on sensitive issues.

Croms model (and I think the NFD model) is very pragmatic. Differences are expected and encouraged, people are expected to be independent and self sufficient and when they achieve that they tend to help each other out without question. People are told to get on with what they want, they are told to play how they like and there can be vigorous discussion about different styles of play but ultimately every guild is their own domain and they can decide how they wish to play. The philosophy is that you stand alone first then we stand together. Weak players and dependency for example are not tolerated very easily - they usually get ignored and quite rightly (and no weak does not = casual btw).

I have played under both models and I prefer the latter simply because I don't have to worry so much about saying exactly what I think in the way I think it (remember my classic MT's in NE alliance :D). But that is a personal thing. Anyway these are just general observations as you can see I have a very personal view of the differences between the two Alliances and people will no doubt disagree with me but that is fine. What I do think is that it is up to those Alliances to look very closely at what they are doing.

Finally - no matter what people say about being negative. Things are not good at the moment in this realm. We can either decide to look with a tear in our eyes to the past or get our fingers out and change things. I do not think a realm wide approach is the way to do it rather I belive in promoting a hard core of people united with one aim and many different approaches to kicking the living shit out of Albion.

Now let us see if alliances can really perform their function. What matters now is whether or not those alliances can adapt or not. Changes are coming where will we all be in 6 months time?
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What GPK want to do will come down to them as a guild, but i cant see people wanting to leave thier own guilds to join them and move esp given a lot of the 'RvR' characters are the guild leaders themselves.
NFD might be more RvR orientated then NE but there isnt a need to polorise them.
The problem isnt with the pryd alliances, we just need to intergrate better with the excal alliances/guilds and break down the barriers.
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Aran_Thule wrote: The problem isnt with the pryd alliances, we just need to intergrate better with the excal alliances/guilds and break down the barriers.
exactly and thats what I am driving at - NE has a lot of good things going for it, but you guys need to define what that is. We are very different and we should tolerate and encourage those differences to the overall advantage of the server.

I can't think of anything better than to see the two allainces recruiting more into their respective folds.
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Aran_Thule wrote:What GPK want to do will come down to them as a guild, but i cant see people wanting to leave thier own guilds to join them and move esp given a lot of the 'RvR' characters are the guild leaders themselves.
NFD might be more RvR orientated then NE but there isnt a need to polorise them.
The problem isnt with the pryd alliances, we just need to intergrate better with the excal alliances/guilds and break down the barriers.
It's a shame we don't share same view on this but nm ;)
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Sharkith wrote: On this point I disagree with Aran quite profoundly but this is because in the game I have quite a different philosophy.
Which is the point ive been trying to get across, people have differant views of the game and some do not match.
Trying to force them together will cause more damage then good.
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Aran_Thule wrote:Which is the point ive been trying to get across, people have differant views of the game and some do not match.
Trying to force them together will cause more damage then good.
True and my reply was you have to go further and actually define what the differences are. It is simply not enough to say we are 'different' especially when we are trying to define who we are and what we want to achieve.
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Aran_Thule wrote:Which is the point ive been trying to get across, people have differant views of the game and some do not match.
Trying to force them together will cause more damage then good.
Damage to who? NFD arn't concerned what view people have of the game, guilds are diverse, opinions are diverse, thats the game, thats life.

For some people (as opposed to guilds) the NFD alliance certainly wouldnt be suitable. Free speech within the boundaries of the GoA CoC is important to us, that means it is an adult orientated guild and so wouldnt suit people who have children, or who have fragile sensibilities.

Anyhow, I think some of understand what actions are required. Enough talking.
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i thought Wysts description was fairly accurate so see no point to add on that.

Crom, so what happens to thoose people, people make the guilds and are friends.
Alienating because of thier views is more likely to make them leave which is something we have to try to avoid.
Excal has twice the population of pryd so we are better off trying to get people of similar views to join us from there rather then try to rearrange guilds/people/alliances here and risk loosing people.
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Aran_Thule wrote:i thought Wysts description was fairly accurate so see no point to add on that.

Crom, so what happens to thoose people, people make the guilds and are friends.
Alienating because of thier views is more likely to make them leave which is something we have to try to avoid.
Excal has twice the population of pryd so we are better off trying to get people of similar views to join us from there rather then try to rearrange guilds/people/alliances here and risk loosing people.
Good luck with that, hopefully there is a reasonable pool of like minded guilds in Excal there for you to approach.
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Maybe a sticky thread with alliance description posted by each alliance leader(s)/GM(s) as they see fit?

Theres no need for recruitmentthingys in it, just a plain and simple description made by thoose who run it. That way people atleast have an idea what they are all about.

Me personally dont know much about any alliance, its more like a "feeling" what they are like and no real concrete knowledge.

I think the generall view here right now is that NFD is RvR and NE is cassual, thats pretty weak info and may not even be accurate, what do I know..
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