Why (in my opinion) buffbots are wrong...

[Arvengar]

They do autolog inactive accounts m8. If ur account has had no keyboard input in about 30 mins, they'll log the account out. This is why if u've been out in RvR and haven't died in ages, someone with a buffbot will do a "bot shuffle" (either move the bot a step or two or cast a 20 min buff) to keep the account active.

Unfortunately, this does nothing for BBs on the Glastonbury server as a BB must be grouped in order to buff and within 5000 units o the other member of the group. So as most ppl just have the bot on tow and as its grouped with them, they may as well use it to heal them to cut down their down time. As healing them requires keyboard input, the account is never considered inactive so it'll never autolog.

[Thandruil]

They do autolog inactive accounts m8. If ur account has had no keyboard input in about 30 mins, they'll log the account out. This is why if u've been out in RvR and haven't died in ages, someone with a buffbot will do a "bot shuffle" (either move the bot a step or two or cast a 20 min buff) to keep the account active.

Was just about to say same thing, has been like that for ages.

[Lairiodd]

But, that doesn't really count, because each person in the pub is a separate individual. There are no "buffbots" of other people in the pub taking up space.

I actually don't think that that makes a difference, the point is that they are paying for the space.

With buffbots, it's just one person running several accounts on the same server simultaneously. That one person is taking up, say 3 spaces on the server and therefore possibly denying 2 other people with single accounts from logging on... which is inconsiderate.

The point is that the number of servers will be sized to match the number of expected users. More buffbots means more servers, so it balances. In fact, buffbots help as Goa's fixed costs are spread over more people.

Using a similar analogy to the pub scenario. If you got on a bus and there were two seats remaining, but someone had put their shopping bags on them, you would be annoyed. You've bought a ticket, but you can't sit down because of that inconsiderate person.

Sure, I paid for 1 seat and that person also only paid for 1 seat. In practice, on busses seats are allocated by social rules as there isn't one seat per person even though everyone pays the same. However, if seats were allocated and the person showed me two tickets, then I would have no problem. I would probably complain that the bus company doubled allocated the seat I paid for.

[Musejedi]

Not even read this cause its pointless.

He pays for two accounts, you pay for one.. why does he have less right to log in each of his than you to log in each of yours?

[Gandelf]

They do autolog inactive accounts m8. If ur account has had no keyboard input in about 30 mins, they'll log the account out.

Thank you for this. I didn't know about it, or had forgotten about it.
As for buffbots taking up server space, I'm still not convinced that they are "fair", especially when there is a possibility that they may prevent someone with a single account from logging in.

If server space is provided on the basis of active accounts, then I can see the logic behind the idea that if it were not for buffbots there would be fewer servers and therefore capacity would be relative.

On the other hand having an active account means that a person is entitled to play the game, indeed, has a right to play it for his own personal enjoyment. A person with multiple accounts is still, of course, entitled to play all of his accounts, at any time, on any server, for personal enjoyment. But the distinction is that the person with buffbots will still be playing (for enjoyment) if he were to just log out one buffbot. In so doing, he would free up a space for someone with a single acount to be able to log on and experience some of that enjoyment for which he has also paid.

What it all boils down to, then, is whether those with buffbots are considerate enough to make a conscious decision to not log in one of their accounts in order to free up one space on the server for someone else. In the end, Human nature is both the problem and the solution to such a moral dilemma.

[OohhoO]

If BuffBot-User logs his/her accounts on before the servers are full, he/she quite possibly has no idea that the server is later full & that others cannot log on.

Alternatively he/she may be deliberately levelling multiple characters simultaneously, one or more of which might be difficult to level alone, & which would then take him/her up to twice as long if levelled individually, which would negate the whole point of him/her paying for multiple accounts.

Personally I've only normally been playing both my accounts at times when the server population is not conducive to finding groups. Playing 2 accounts in a FG is pretty stressy. Playing 1 account in a FG is fun. I've even taken to just logging out when I can't get a group with my Healer, rather than logging in a toon which could kill faster to help.

[Kallima]

What it all boils down to, then, is whether those with buffbots are considerate enough to make a conscious decision to not log in one of their accounts in order to free up one space on the server for someone else. In the end, Human nature is both the problem and the solution to such a moral dilemma.

Human nature being what it is, people respond differently to different approaches. Instead of calling people with multiple accounts greedy and selfish, why not just point out that Glastonbury is pretty full and ask could they please only log in one account if they don't really need another. It might persuade people better.

Remember if there were less people with multiple accounts, there would be less active accounts, and might only be one classic server instead of two.

[Xest]

What it all boils down to, then, is whether those with buffbots are considerate enough to make a conscious decision to not log in one of their accounts in order to free up one space on the server for someone else. In the end, Human nature is both the problem and the solution to such a moral dilemma.

Also boils down to whether those with single accounts are considerate enough not to whine on forums when someone is making use of the amount of accounts they've paid for I guess also. Indeed, such a moral dilemma!

[Satyn]

Like its been said over and over again.

We've got person X with one account pay X amount of money a month to play the game.
We've got person Y with multiple accounts paying X amount of money a month to play the game.

we pay we play

even if i had 5 accounts running at same time on 5 diffrent pc's its really extremely selfish to ask me to only log in one while i pay for 5.

Like Kallima said, instead of blaming it on the bb's just ask them to increase the space in the server... (unless this is one of your stirring up posts again then i'm sure you wont do that.)

[Lairiodd]

The official reason that they cannot increase the size is due to it reducing the quality of the service being provided. I wonder if 3600 non-buff bot users being logged in would be a worse quality of service than 2500 non-buff bot users and 1100 buff bots.