Clustering news

VegetaFH1 · Post by **VegetaFH1** » Sat May 21, 2005 5:05 am

Wyst
Dont forget, that with clustering, we dont only have it in RvR, we have it in PvE aswell, yes alot more ppl, but alot more ppl to become friends with and HOPEFULY in time if clustering does happen that we can still have our Pryd hib spirit back and take things the way we do now, and plus there will be alot more groups for the casual player if clustering does happen, now again having said that that might cuase afew problems, with fights braking out amounst groups for PVE spots... then again it could very well happen in RvR aswell
I personaly think we should all comment, look at eachother comments, waih up the pros and cons from eachother comments and vote with or against the clustering, cuase quite frankly its not just u and me and the average joe it affects, it effects everybody on both pryd and excal

Guinnessrules · Post by **Guinnessrules** » Sat May 21, 2005 5:47 am

Well i voted for a clustering of the rvr-zone as we have too few peeps out there for NF as it is.
Tho i think they should only merge the capital cities so u can use crafters from other servers and not the rest of the game.

Sharkith · Post by **Sharkith** » Sat May 21, 2005 6:28 am

[quote="twinga"]to sharkith

if i come to this server were mostly becuase my friends already here so of course i come here, but if from the start i dont had any friend and could select a server with lot peopel for more fun/action around or 1 with less i would go for the one with more for sure.

About the polls seems by a mayority peopel voted for cluster so seems lots thinks like me.

About what we can get with this, well ]

These are all much better points. This is a sensitive issue and a throw away post like the first one you made certainly doesn't help open discussion.

OK lets put this another way - why is it we cannot have clustering of RvR only?

I would vote or that so my RvR friends and I could enjoy the bigger population in the frontier and I actually think that most would benefit because the action would hopefully spread out. I do think this is the biggest benefit but what is the cost going to be?

Why oh why do any of you think that mixing two very different gaming cultures is somehow going to be a good thing though Twinga? You do realise that the current community spirit could be seriously undermined by this? If you don't then please make the argument.

ML raids are ran very differently in Excal from what I can see and well the ToA artifact thing is going to be absolutely silly. It is stupid enough as it is and we have a much more polite approach to these things (even if the odd dick screws around with this).

That said you made some very nice counter points - items that we cannot get currently are more available. That should not be written off however those prices will go up and go up dramatically because more and more people will be chasing them. I am not pooh poohing anything I think we all need to debate the issue clearly and to try not to throw away comments that just result in a retort like the one I made to you.

As for galladoria raids - organise one through here and you will see how many turn up. Our own guild had a raid in there recently and I thoroughly enjoyed it - best spot in Hibernia (pity ToA makes the drops a bit outdated). The reason why we don't raid there is because most are busy in ToA post Catacombs.

I am concerned about the community thing more than anything. Sure Veget makes an excellent point that there will be a lot more other people to PvE with. I don't know I just hear so much that is bad about the culture of Excal that is what owrries me the most - does anyone know anything about it? I am not in a position to evlauate - I mean is it that much worse?

Anyway one solution to the not being able to create any toons in the other realms is to do it right now. At least then I can protect my future gaming experience over there.

Sharkith

Rejecta · Post by **Rejecta** » Sat May 21, 2005 7:03 am

twinga wrote:Tbh i think there will be lots more people who will leave the game if cluster dotn happend that the ones that will leave if it happend.

The population of prydwen past from some weeks being 400-500 to 700 lately just becuase some of epoele of wow returning thinking in the clustering, if cluster dont happend there will lots that will leave and just wait for the incoming battleground zones in wow (dont know if is already implemented but think still is not).

So if cluster dont happend i would start preparing to see an empty server again as some weeks ago.

But well i dont know the future neither what will happend im just saying what i think becuase that i will go for cluster .

Well thikn everybody already know my opinion so i will just stop here about cluster, will see what happend

Laterr

Nice numbers shame they don't appear to be based on any facts, as you can see population has been close to 1000 peak not the 700 as you claim.

http://daoc.darkzone.net/server/eu/prydwen/

Rejecta · Post by **Rejecta** » Sat May 21, 2005 7:09 am

Sharkith wrote:Stuff

Excalibur is not that different to Prydwen, How ever you will notice how rude people on Excal are...when I first moved from Prydwen to Excal I could not believe how rude people are..not even a thanks from someone if you rez them or buff them (Which personaly I do)..almost like its expected.

Artifacts - Excal arti prices are sky high (hi there 30plat for cloudsong), which in turn means there is more bickering over artifacts (more griefing)...

We will expect arti prices to go up, scroll prices to go down (they damn expensive on hib compared to alb).

I think in general whilst it will be a bumpy ride the Prydwen players both will adapt to each other. However being on alb/pry also I have more to worry about than hib..I did a short spell on alb/excal..I have never met so many ****'s in a game before.

However its not all d000m, there are a lot of nice people on excal..but also a lot of twats.

Reza · Post by **Reza** » Sat May 21, 2005 7:30 am

Sharkith wrote: OK lets put this another way - why is it we cannot have clustering of RvR only?

Effectively GOA are only considering clustering of RVR. The ability then for prydwen characters to access excal pve zones and vice versa is actually an inevitable part of a rvr only clustering.

RVR cluster meaning shared/single NF, POC and DF zones has to mean equal access to each others pve/housing zones. Think through the implications otherwise..

It would be rediculous to suddenly have a whole new set of hib 'team mates' in rvr with whom those who originate from a diff server u cant even simply trade a breathing pot, or do a loot split having done a POc/DF raid together.

Once u accept u can rvr with people and share the rvr zones, by default u have to accept equal access to the pve/market areas of the game.

If u accept you should be able to trade, then u have to accept equal access to each others housing/markets (trading would just do the same thing alot less efficiently), and in turn having access to each others markets you would need to allow equal access to the loot spots on both realms (ie if u have a shared market but everything is easier to obtain on pryd for example then all the hib chars have a easier time at getting the goods and selling effectively at excal prices with their monopoly on the less camped spots).

In short game economics demand that a shared RVR zone mean equal access to the other areas also, even if they dont happen to be shared (ie 2 of them still exist).

The main thing to remember if clustering does come form a prydwen point of view is: 1) All your cash will be devalued overnight, 2) All your items will increase in value overnight. Where possible keep you wealth tied up in goods.

Hmm, ive probably just made it even harder for me to buy the items i need now

Puppet · Post by **Puppet** » Sat May 21, 2005 7:55 am

Prydwen will be essentially dead when clustering does NOT happen. You will see an exodus of people who came back after WoW for clustering; removing clustering now only makes those people leave; resulting in 400-500 population @ peak.

The people worried about pricing: Your items become worth MORE money.
We never had any serious troubles @ Prydwen about artifacts: Everything is basically always 'up' nowadays. Hib/Excal aint all that big; doubt they make a big difference in this stuff.

However imagine how much more people you can group with; both PvE (VERY welcome for Hib/Pryd; GL getting an XP-group as level 37 BM in most cases) as RvR. More enemy guildgroups; but ALSO more friendly guildgroups to get rid of those. And.... more random Albs (!) to get RP's off

Ankh Morpork · Post by **Ankh Morpork** » Sat May 21, 2005 7:58 am

I guess housing Zones will cluster too? If so, that could be nice since we get access to more merchants

...but it also mean that the prices will go up..

/Ankh

Ankh Morpork · Post by **Ankh Morpork** » Sat May 21, 2005 7:59 am

[quote="Puppet"]Prydwen will be essentially dead when clustering does NOT happen. You will see an exodus of people who came back after WoW for clustering]

...but thats mearly a wild guess by you..

/Ankh

Puppet · Post by **Puppet** » Sat May 21, 2005 8:00 am

Briannon wrote:albs and mids are ALSO clustered. Would DF ever be open for Hib in such a scenario? How much fun would PoC be with the already larger alb and mid populations doubled by clustering? Just imagine an alb zerg doubled in size because there are now two lots of albs to zerg us. Nice idea?

Hib/Pryd will loose all relics]
Oh, and all the stuff about how a cluster actually works is not theory, or guess work, or speculation, it is EXPERIENCE from actually doing that. Why do you think my animist has 4 orion's belts sitting in her vault?[/QUOTE]

Why do you think my buffbot has 2 in his inventory? Most likely because Orions Belt encounter is too easy for a level 50; close to 'TOA entrance' and easy to check from a distance if its up.

People complaining about 'arti farming' have to think about 1 thing: There's no point in farming GoV's if nobody buys. Fact is Im surprised if I find an actual encounter I want to do down.