Cross realming

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Lairiodd wrote:What about if we changed the permission system + forum arrangement to the same as we do the guild/alliance forums.

It could be something like:

GM forum - one (or 2) members of each alliance is set as group leader and also one person to represent independent guilds
Access is only to be granted to GM/officer level players.
This requires an in-game confirm. (confirm the prydwen.net account matches the game account and also that the person is in fact a GM)

Private forum - same as current secrets forum
(same group leaders as above)
Anyone who is a current player of any guild is entitled to access.

Every 2-3 months, we could post in the GM section asking if it would be a reasonable time to do a clear. We could then reset the usergroups. If there was something planned, we could delay by a week or so or something.

Alternatively, we could just use the current usergroups as permissions. Anyone who has access to an alliance GM forum shall have access to the realm GM forum. Also, we could add an independent GM usergroup that is cleared every so often.

Similarily, anyone who has access to any guild forum on this board, would get access to the private realm boards (would need to be careful we only include hib guilds :p ).

In the 2nd case, we would need the group leaders of the various usergroups to keep their usergroups up to date. Also, there is a problem that guilds would want to give people who play 2 realms access to their guild forums.
Sounds like a good idea. Only allow GMs of guilds to see the Secrets Forum. They can post a post in their guild forums just saying that they would like a good turnout for RvR on xxxxxx date. It might say to any potential crossrealmer that we're up to something on xxxxxx date, but they won't know what.

I do play 2 realms (alb/excal and hib/pryd) and last night I was on alb/excal doing ML8 grp steps with my guild there. The first thing I knew about Hibs up to anything last night was a shout over /as saying massive Hib Tree at Ren, shortly followed by "make that 2 massive hib trees". U hadn't cut port and altho it was a bold move it was doomed tbh. Any sniffing around keeps with relics in them will provoke a response, so still allowing port there meant u was gonna get zerged there.

I do admit that crossrealming is a big issue since cluster. The majority of ppl that play 2 realms can seperate and keep confidential any information about any RvR plans that either realm has, but there are a small percentage to which the mighty realm point is more important than any sense of realm or guild loyalty. Personally I would never dream of devulging any rvr plans about 1 realm I play to the other but there are ppl who would, so some form of increased security around the planning of realm rvr events is needed, just to be on the safe side.
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If you read the thread on FH then read Tasmins post.

He hit it spot on there, and the problem was that we got all the trebs up and didn't even fire 1 shot and already they had a palli up and shooting at our trebs.

There might have been a big tree on the /rw but no way can they react that fast without them knowing it upfront.

Also cutting port would have gained us nothing but a tower, it takes them 30 sec to run from frontier keep to Ren.
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Arvengar wrote: I do admit that crossrealming is a big issue since cluster. The majority of ppl that play 2 realms can seperate and keep confidential any information about any RvR plans that either realm has, but there are a small percentage to which the mighty realm point is more important than any sense of realm or guild loyalty. Personally I would never dream of devulging any rvr plans about 1 realm I play to the other but there are ppl who would, so some form of increased security around the planning of realm rvr events is needed, just to be on the safe side.
Arvengar,

none of this is aimed at the vast majority of people we have played against for a long time. Last night was definitely suspicious anytime we announced a target over the BG there were Albs waiting anytime we didn't and we did it outisde of the BG there were no Albs at the location and in fact we could clear a whole tower and there would still be none there. It happened several times and quickly became a pattern for the evening.

Rens - yeah your right the big tree would have been a dead giveaway but taking a towert to cut port would not have made any difference given the numbers - we had around 50 in the BG and around 4 FG's at Rens. Albs turned out 5+ fully opted as some like zede have already noted. I play on Fridays I have never seen 5 fully opted Alb groups. So it does not take a genius to work out what happened.

Sorry but thats the way some people like to play. We can't blame all the Albs of course but you guys should be aware that there is an element like that there right now.

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btw that Zede character on FH seems to have a few screws loose

or as we say in sweden ill try and translate it to english:

the elevator runs but not all the way to the top
the light is on but theres noone home
the stable is a few horses short



and atm i got core meltdown, cant think anymore (too hot damnit!)
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Octagon wrote:btw that Zede character on FH seems to have a few screws loose

or as we say in sweden ill try and translate it to english:

the elevator runs but not all the way to the top
the light is on but theres noone home
the stable is a few horses short



and atm i got core meltdown, cant think anymore (too hot damnit!)
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Satyn wrote:A retard? :D
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Sharkith wrote:Arvengar,

none of this is aimed at the vast majority of people we have played against for a long time. Last night was definitely suspicious anytime we announced a target over the BG there were Albs waiting anytime we didn't and we did it outisde of the BG there were no Albs at the location and in fact we could clear a whole tower and there would still be none there. It happened several times and quickly became a pattern for the evening.

Rens - yeah your right the big tree would have been a dead giveaway but taking a towert to cut port would not have made any difference given the numbers - we had around 50 in the BG and around 4 FG's at Rens. Albs turned out 5+ fully opted as some like zede have already noted. I play on Fridays I have never seen 5 fully opted Alb groups. So it does not take a genius to work out what happened.

Sorry but thats the way some people like to play. We can't blame all the Albs of course but you guys should be aware that there is an element like that there right now.

kind regards

Sharkith
Omg m8 that really sucks. It sounds like u had someone in the BG that had logged a 2nd account onto alb and was passing information that way. Its the only way I can think of that ppl can pass information that quickly. I saw the same thing happening when my alliance on alb tried to run a RR on Mid ages ago. Within minutes it seemed the Mids knew exactly where we were headed and we couldn't take a tower without heavy resistance, which normally resulted in us getting wiped. The only thing I can tell u was the only information that came across the HB alliance chat was the "big hibby tree at Ren" message. It was the first notification that Hibs were up to anything at Ren.

It is disgusting that some ppl would stoop so low to pass on information like that, and in order to combat these situations in future as I already said, I totally agree with Liariodd, access needs to be restricted to the Hibernian Secrets Forum to just guild GMs. From what u have said indicating that there was actually a spy in the BG too, I would also say that any RvR event has a CG created alongside the BG, which only grp leaders get invited into and target information be passed on to the group leaders from there. This will lower the chance of a "lurker" from passing info on to a different realm. Personally, I am happy for Thand and Satyn to say in the FS private forums "Get all ur asses to Cain on xxxxxx date cos we're off to kick some arse". I don't need to know why, I just need to make sure I got plenty of charges in my Pow Barrel and my ML9 bear's butt don't block all our casters LOS :D
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Arvarn 50 Scout ML10 Sojo <Drakan Templars>
Boatnbuff 50 Cleric ML10 Perfector <Drakan Templars>
and lots of other alts :D

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Trez wrote:If you read the thread on FH then read Tasmins post.

He hit it spot on there, and the problem was that we got all the trebs up and didn't even fire 1 shot and already they had a palli up and shooting at our trebs.

There might have been a big tree on the /rw but no way can they react that fast without them knowing it upfront.

Also cutting port would have gained us nothing but a tower, it takes them 30 sec to run from frontier keep to Ren.
if you hadnt fired a shot the keep would still be safe to log into i think?
chances are you *may* have had someone logging into their keep at the same time and noticing alot of lag and seeing you guys outside.
Wouldnt take long to buy a palli and shoot at y'all.

but personally prefer the crossrealming theory.
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Banana wrote:if you hadnt fired a shot the keep would still be safe to log into i think?
chances are you *may* have had someone logging into their keep at the same time and noticing alot of lag and seeing you guys outside.
Wouldnt take long to buy a palli and shoot at y'all.

but personally prefer the crossrealming theory.
We get to have bonfires :)
Ill get the marshmellows :D
had to be there to understand it all tbh. We got there and in a matter of seconds not minutes there they were.
I'm kinda giving up with rvr for a few days, had enough atm.
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