Aran I sympathise with you m8 and as I said before Clustering you will find Excal Hibs are to elitist in trying to keep Hib green all they are interested in is the Mighty RP keep taking and Tower taking is below them.BUT they like the insta RvR but yet WILL NOT help if you try getting insta in another realm or try defend BUT they all grateful they can insta get they RP.
Nice Post btw you don't need the Flames as for other realms being more organised I would say No they just care about they realm unlike 70% of Hibs.
Soulja
Rps, our realm and the race for rps
I would just like to add my voice to Tasmin's as I totally agree with him on this subject.
Yes, IRvR is very nice and a good way to get RP's, but at what cost..
The Albs and Mids have the run of Hibernia at the moment, raking in as many RP's as us, although i suspect alot more. The poor Hiberians who care about their lands and ar'nt totally selfish, cannot do anything to stop them taking our relics, when the enemy have had their fix of RP's. IRvR is not looking good for our realm's future and serves no purpose other than making us more disorganised.
Although the disorganised Hibs are doing a great job of fighting both realms on their own soil in Emain Macha and there has been some epic fights there, unfortunaterly they are falling into bad ways for future responses.
So , what can we do?..
For a start, there should be a bg chat and an attempt to try out tactics and communication between hibs, to learn what works and what doesnt. Reports of enemy sightings should be more forthcoming and diversions, ambushes set up. IRvR is not nescessary a bad thing, if we can learn from it, but on the organised front, it seems sadly missing.
A small comment on Aran's noble Retake raid.
Because people love their IRvR, the enemy will unite more and fight harder in trying to keep Ports to Hib Realm open and the majority of Hibs ( who are blind to what it is doing to their Realm) wont help in the Retakes, because it will spoil their fun too.
If we try a Retake again, we should try a different tactic. Get involved with the IRvR in Emain, but with the goal of taking the crim tower closest to DC, using the support of random hibs who frequent the area as a screen. Pound it to the ground with trebs then take it and hold it until its a bit more sturdy. Once it is secure and a bit of IRvR is had by the bg, move the whole bg to the other tower to the far north and take that..using that as the bg base. Hopefully the other tower will be protected by the random hibs with the alb port still down and we can then make an attempt on the towers close to Crim keep.
This style of Retake, is not by the usual methods and may not work, but it is using the tools that are there. The general IRvR Hibs. It's a shame that we have to fall to such long retakes, but its the sign of the times. If this starts a civil war in the Hibernian camp, so be it.. Passion always prevails over selfishness. Pride kills apathy. Long live the Celtic spirit.
Yes, IRvR is very nice and a good way to get RP's, but at what cost..
The Albs and Mids have the run of Hibernia at the moment, raking in as many RP's as us, although i suspect alot more. The poor Hiberians who care about their lands and ar'nt totally selfish, cannot do anything to stop them taking our relics, when the enemy have had their fix of RP's. IRvR is not looking good for our realm's future and serves no purpose other than making us more disorganised.
Although the disorganised Hibs are doing a great job of fighting both realms on their own soil in Emain Macha and there has been some epic fights there, unfortunaterly they are falling into bad ways for future responses.
So , what can we do?..
For a start, there should be a bg chat and an attempt to try out tactics and communication between hibs, to learn what works and what doesnt. Reports of enemy sightings should be more forthcoming and diversions, ambushes set up. IRvR is not nescessary a bad thing, if we can learn from it, but on the organised front, it seems sadly missing.
A small comment on Aran's noble Retake raid.
Because people love their IRvR, the enemy will unite more and fight harder in trying to keep Ports to Hib Realm open and the majority of Hibs ( who are blind to what it is doing to their Realm) wont help in the Retakes, because it will spoil their fun too.
If we try a Retake again, we should try a different tactic. Get involved with the IRvR in Emain, but with the goal of taking the crim tower closest to DC, using the support of random hibs who frequent the area as a screen. Pound it to the ground with trebs then take it and hold it until its a bit more sturdy. Once it is secure and a bit of IRvR is had by the bg, move the whole bg to the other tower to the far north and take that..using that as the bg base. Hopefully the other tower will be protected by the random hibs with the alb port still down and we can then make an attempt on the towers close to Crim keep.
This style of Retake, is not by the usual methods and may not work, but it is using the tools that are there. The general IRvR Hibs. It's a shame that we have to fall to such long retakes, but its the sign of the times. If this starts a civil war in the Hibernian camp, so be it.. Passion always prevails over selfishness. Pride kills apathy. Long live the Celtic spirit.
:ranger: Aiming to please..
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Well, you always notice the noisy problem people, and with twice as many Excalibur as Prydwen around a lot of the time, there will be some annoying ones. On the whole though, Excalibur seems to have much the same mixed bag of people we do. Apart from when I'm with guild, I spend a lot of time with random groups, by pure chance naturally more than half of the group members are excalibur. They have included very nice people, friendly people, aggressive people, and people with huge egos and short tempers who go off in sulks. Similar to prydwen really.Satyn wrote:Its become very clear to me that excall ppl are very diffrent than pryd ppl. I was looking around in DC yesterday and looked at the BB's there and 9/10 were from excal. Someone said something in /broad about the bb's and got abuse. 5min later aran's keep retake was announced on /broad and yet again a lot of abuse was said again from excal ppl. I'm not saying that they are all the same cos i have excal members aswell but its sad to see the abuse and aggro one gets if they try to get the realm green again and if someone asks to move the bb's.
Wow, I’ll be the first poster who does not agree.
I haven’t played last night, but the nights before, and greatly enjoyed doing what my class was designed for: nuking enemies into the ground. Fast paced action and always enemies around.
Comparing this to the RvR experiences I had the weeks before when all of Hib was green, all of Alb red and all of Mid blue this week has been Nirvana.
Last week’s RvR looked like this: standing ten Minutes in Ligen yelling “Mentalist lfg!” and getting “RvR group looking for bainshee or eldritch” as an answer, then porting to Crauchon, running around without speed, getting insta kill - perfed by RR10 2H SBs, and anytime I saw a stealthier he was engaged with someone else. Nuking yielded a “Don’t add ffs”. Going to Aggromon it was either empty, I got rolled by a FG or got yelled at by my realm mates “Don’t add ffs”. Porting to Crauch taking an epic boat ride to Brynia or Ocassus was a loss of time as after the ten minutes to get there I got either insta perfed again or rolled by a FG or small group with speed.
So yes, Insta RvR is something different.
I won’t budge to retake anything, as I know as soon as Hib is green again I can go play GW or WoW or whatever, as my dear realm mates will let me stand around in Ligen yelling “lfg!” or yell at me “Don’t add ffs”.
It’s not insta RvR that kills the game, it’s the attitude of running around in opted groups looking for “fair FG vs FG fights” and leaving half of the classes stand in the rain.
And please don’t give me the “then roll a wanted class” stuff. I don’t have the time to level a bainshee to lvl 50, equip it, do the MLs and CLs etc.
The fact that there are dozens of players participating in iRvR shows that I’m not the only one who wants easily accessible fast paced action where unwanted classes can have a share of the fun they pay for, too. Next time someone wants Hibs to care for their realm take that poor Valewalker in RoGs or the solo mana chanter in your high RR opted group and show that you care not only for the realm’s relics but for the inhabitants too.
Merino/Yeyi
I haven’t played last night, but the nights before, and greatly enjoyed doing what my class was designed for: nuking enemies into the ground. Fast paced action and always enemies around.
Comparing this to the RvR experiences I had the weeks before when all of Hib was green, all of Alb red and all of Mid blue this week has been Nirvana.
Last week’s RvR looked like this: standing ten Minutes in Ligen yelling “Mentalist lfg!” and getting “RvR group looking for bainshee or eldritch” as an answer, then porting to Crauchon, running around without speed, getting insta kill - perfed by RR10 2H SBs, and anytime I saw a stealthier he was engaged with someone else. Nuking yielded a “Don’t add ffs”. Going to Aggromon it was either empty, I got rolled by a FG or got yelled at by my realm mates “Don’t add ffs”. Porting to Crauch taking an epic boat ride to Brynia or Ocassus was a loss of time as after the ten minutes to get there I got either insta perfed again or rolled by a FG or small group with speed.
So yes, Insta RvR is something different.
I won’t budge to retake anything, as I know as soon as Hib is green again I can go play GW or WoW or whatever, as my dear realm mates will let me stand around in Ligen yelling “lfg!” or yell at me “Don’t add ffs”.
It’s not insta RvR that kills the game, it’s the attitude of running around in opted groups looking for “fair FG vs FG fights” and leaving half of the classes stand in the rain.
And please don’t give me the “then roll a wanted class” stuff. I don’t have the time to level a bainshee to lvl 50, equip it, do the MLs and CLs etc.
The fact that there are dozens of players participating in iRvR shows that I’m not the only one who wants easily accessible fast paced action where unwanted classes can have a share of the fun they pay for, too. Next time someone wants Hibs to care for their realm take that poor Valewalker in RoGs or the solo mana chanter in your high RR opted group and show that you care not only for the realm’s relics but for the inhabitants too.
Merino/Yeyi
Sure when they gonna nick relics and u won't be able to do jackshit causeMerino wrote:Wow, I’ll be the first poster who does not agree.
I haven’t played last night, but the nights before, and greatly enjoyed doing what my class was designed for: nuking enemies into the ground. Fast paced action and always enemies around.
Comparing this to the RvR experiences I had the weeks before when all of Hib was green, all of Alb red and all of Mid blue this week has been Nirvana.
Last week’s RvR looked like this: standing ten Minutes in Ligen yelling “Mentalist lfg!” and getting “RvR group looking for bainshee or eldritch” as an answer, then porting to Crauchon, running around without speed, getting insta kill - perfed by RR10 2H SBs, and anytime I saw a stealthier he was engaged with someone else. Nuking yielded a “Don’t add ffs”. Going to Aggromon it was either empty, I got rolled by a FG or got yelled at by my realm mates “Don’t add ffs”. Porting to Crauch taking an epic boat ride to Brynia or Ocassus was a loss of time as after the ten minutes to get there I got either insta perfed again or rolled by a FG or small group with speed.
So yes, Insta RvR is something different.
I won’t budge to retake anything, as I know as soon as Hib is green again I can go play GW or WoW or whatever, as my dear realm mates will let me stand around in Ligen yelling “lfg!” or yell at me “Don’t add ffs”.
It’s not insta RvR that kills the game, it’s the attitude of running around in opted groups looking for “fair FG vs FG fights” and leaving half of the classes stand in the rain.
And please don’t give me the “then roll a wanted class” stuff. I don’t have the time to level a bainshee to lvl 50, equip it, do the MLs and CLs etc.
The fact that there are dozens of players participating in iRvR shows that I’m not the only one who wants easily accessible fast paced action where unwanted classes can have a share of the fun they pay for, too. Next time someone wants Hibs to care for their realm take that poor Valewalker in RoGs or the solo mana chanter in your high RR opted group and show that you care not only for the realm’s relics but for the inhabitants too.
Merino/Yeyi
a) half of hib gonna go play his Other Realm got Relics m8ers !! toons.
and
b) random noob caster hits u for 800
don't come cry that some1 else has to retake em like it happened last time tho.
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Merino wrote:Next time someone wants Hibs to care for their realm take that poor Valewalker in RoGs or the solo mana chanter in your high RR opted group and show that you care not only for the realm’s relics but for the inhabitants too.
Merino/Yeyi
Have to agree somewhat with Merino, even though it aint good haveing them in our realm, many that never get the chance to have some fun is able to have it now.
Still I will rather have iRvR in any other place then hib tbh and I would also gladly help to take the keeps/towers back if Im able to play then ofc ;D
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Merino,
have you signed up for the random PUG group where there is a mixture of medium to high rr players. Players who have experince of FG RvR and those who don't?
Have you? If not why not?
It was generated as an idea for people like you who claim you cannot get a group and there you are not signed up or expressed an interest in it. I did this with the aim of helping people to get going and to learn to play together rather than running around in a pit of rp frenzy.
You make it sound like we are leetist and yet in that idea I for one and others have happily agreed to come along and help form a regular random group. I haven't seen you sign up yet. Yet I did this for people like you who were complaining about this very thing. The uptake from people who complain like this was minimal. The others as you call them were only too willing so far to take part and seem to have enjoyed it as well.
The offer is there if your having problems or have a chip on your shoulder come along and prove that your willing to actually reach out over the mythical divide you have created in your post.
Sharkith
have you signed up for the random PUG group where there is a mixture of medium to high rr players. Players who have experince of FG RvR and those who don't?
Have you? If not why not?
It was generated as an idea for people like you who claim you cannot get a group and there you are not signed up or expressed an interest in it. I did this with the aim of helping people to get going and to learn to play together rather than running around in a pit of rp frenzy.
You make it sound like we are leetist and yet in that idea I for one and others have happily agreed to come along and help form a regular random group. I haven't seen you sign up yet. Yet I did this for people like you who were complaining about this very thing. The uptake from people who complain like this was minimal. The others as you call them were only too willing so far to take part and seem to have enjoyed it as well.
The offer is there if your having problems or have a chip on your shoulder come along and prove that your willing to actually reach out over the mythical divide you have created in your post.
Sharkith
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Attitude is the main problem, and there are a lot of selfish hypocrites out there.Merino wrote:It’s not insta RvR that kills the game, it’s the attitude of running around in opted groups looking for “fair FG vs FG fights” and leaving half of the classes stand in the rain.
Some people stand up to thier beliefs but a lot say one thing with no intention keeping it.
Take some of the 'fair FG fight' groups that say they dont play for the RP's but for the challange of fighting against another likeminded group.
Agromon was designed in emain type style for these type of people, all realms can get there, old choke points, rolling hills ect.
And yet most of the time it is deserted, as the groups prefer roaming iRvR shouting dont add ect and killing thoose that are not an 'even' challange.
We as a realm suffer a lot from lack of support classes, the main reason for this i think is the sheer frustration that you get playing them.
And when things go wrong (for whatever reason) rather then look at the situation and dusting themselves off they blame someone else, normally the poor support class that was trying there best to keep everyone up.
I think we should have a be nice to support classes week, and anyone having a go should be slapped with a trout.
Aran Thule, Epic Sniper and Sojourner, Guild leader of the Artisans of Willow(roleplay guild)
Aran_Thule wrote: I think we should have a be nice to support classes week, and anyone having a go should be slapped with a trout.
Should have a nice to Tanks week imo, because they are the one haveing it tuffest tbh ;D
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Thank you all for your input
I have seen your post with great interest, it seems I misunderstood your concept though, it seemed to me you're running one group with 8 slots, which I think are already manned. Thank you for taking the initiative. See PM too.Elrandhir wrote:Still I will rather have iRvR in any other place then hib tbh and I would also gladly help to take the keeps/towers back if Im able to play then ofc ]
Agree totally with you, best is to have a keep in Alb.
Actually the retake was fun, as it brought a lot of Hibs together with a common goal. I was there too enjoying myself as the PuG I was in was part of the bigger BG and relatively save moving in the zerg, taking towers and keeps. Just like iRvR, everyone can come along and have a chance to survive, even though he may not be part of an opted group. Call it iRvR, siege warfare or whatever, I like the battles of epic proportions advertised on Mythic's original game box, that's what made me buy the game.Gahn wrote:Sure when they gonna nick relics ... don't come cry that some1 else has to retake em like it happened last time tho.
Sharkith wrote:Merino,
have you signed up for the random PUG group where there is a mixture of medium to high rr players...
It was generated as an idea for people like you who claim you cannot get a group
Maybe I expressed myself a bit too exagerated, I just wanted to get the point across that there is a lot of people suffering from the class divide, many of them are in a worse position than I as I'm kitted out and sufficiently high RR to survive in small group RvR. You cannot imagine the number of people I have seen leave the server due to this divide. Unfortunately. If you're in NE /as you can read about it every when and then. Pity really.
Merino/Yeyi