Catacombs Patch contains Evita nerf :O

[Seanchai]

Also some of the ml were plain stupid and replaced some races i.e how many mana ments u see these days? Yes the are slowly coming back with aoe dot's but FOP replaced them imho.

I was a mana / mind mentalist once, after ToA respecced to Light / Mind and never once looked back

[Maeloch]

Was thinking of trying mana for a laugh (still never tried it) but the amount of siege/zerg on prydwen atm don't really justify it, even just for a week or two. Idea of trying to solo with DoTs and baseline nuke as DPS don't exactly fill me with joy either.

Could be fun in a grp zerg bombing grp I guess.

Mael, 50th ment.

[pikeh]

15 mins? make like the old IP imo - 30 mins. totaly I Win ml. :cheers:

[Xest]

Dunno why people think 8 sec stun is that bad when slam is like a 9sec anytime stun with only a 45 sec reuse timer, does being non-purgeable really justify it to require a 15min reuse instead of a 45sec like slam? I get slammed all the time when purge is already down. Not saying FZ isn't overpowered but it's really no worse than slam and such at the end of the day, fact is if you're slammed you're just as fucked as if you're FZ'd half the time.

[Lairiodd]

Dunno why people think 8 sec stun is that bad when slam is like a 9sec anytime stun with only a 45 sec reuse timer, does being non-purgeable really justify it to require a 15min reuse instead of a 45sec like slam? I get slammed all the time when purge is already down. Not saying FZ isn't overpowered but it's really no worse than slam and such at the end of the day, fact is if you're slammed you're just as fucked as if you're FZ'd half the time.

Ok, I have to ask , where do you get 45 secs. Surely, its 9 secs then 1 min immunity giving 69 second recast ?

[VidX]

immunity timers changed to be 5x the duration of the original effect for combat styles.

So a 9s slam gives an immunity timer of 45 seconds etc.

Changed in 1.72

[Adianna]

Dunno why people think 8 sec stun is that bad when slam is like a 9sec anytime stun with only a 45 sec reuse timer, does being non-purgeable really justify it to require a 15min reuse instead of a 45sec like slam? I get slammed all the time when purge is already down. Not saying FZ isn't overpowered but it's really no worse than slam and such at the end of the day, fact is if you're slammed you're just as fucked as if you're FZ'd half the time.

Well I can still PURGE slam. I can't be slammed while standing still and being bodyguarded. You can block, evade or parry a slam. You can't be slammed through walls. You can't be slammed 1000 Units away from your target.

[Puppet]

Well I can still PURGE slam. I can't be slammed while standing still and being bodyguarded. You can block, evade or parry a slam. You can't be slammed through walls. You can't be slammed 1000 Units away from your target.

* you can be slammed by alot of classes
* you can be slammed without purge
* you can be slammed by scouts followed by a critshot
* you can be slammed by a level 42 ML0 *THANE*

FZ in its current implementation was stupid; yes. But as Aran pointed out there's different ways to solve the problem AND there's more overpowered stuff in game. Summoning Mastery chanter doing Battler-encounter for a laugh = fine so far (and its faster then a mediocre FG bashing it up too!)

Grapple has no immunity-timer (in practice) and is probably more powerful then FZ at the moment is; especially in FG fights.

[Maeloch]

Yus, but can be countered by ra's and don't mind losing if they down and someone has an ra up (hehe even on 2min timer). Stupid thing is FZ has no counter.

Menta rr5 ra is unpurgeable, but means me or my opponent can't attack for 20s. And as it stands it's a nice RA. Let me attack during that time without breaking it and it will be as stupid as FZ is.

Give casters soj tbh and will soon see how stupid it is.

Mael, 50th ment.

[Seanchai]

God yes! I propose that as a concession to mentalists for not getting Convoker, we lose Stormlord and get Sojourner instead :silly: