subs run out today

Cryn · Post by **Cryn** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:53 am

Quinlan wrote:Didnt expect you to get it

Ahh I think I do get it. Maybe the next post one the GOA website should be: "In recognition of the downtime Prydwen customers have experienced, we have decided to ask you all to drink 2 less beers"

The point is, you make assumptions about Spetz's financial situation that don't fit with his original post. Surely if you accept his post in good faith, the clear inference is that he would rather not have to pay another month's subs if he can avoid it? That being the case, I can't see how your advice of "why not pay the subs anyway" really helps him.

Another fairly clear inference is that if the free time is not delivered before he goes to uni, he won't get a chance to claim his free time and therefore he'll have experienced the downtime without experiencing the compensation.

Bugzy · Post by **Bugzy** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:55 am

Peat > Quin in this thread :>

Quinlan · Post by **Quinlan** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:43 pm

Cryn wrote:Ahh I think I do get it. Maybe the next post one the GOA website should be: "In recognition of the downtime Prydwen customers have experienced, we have decided to ask you all to drink 2 less beers"

The point is, you make assumptions about Spetz's financial situation that don't fit with his original post. Surely if you accept his post in good faith, the clear inference is that he would rather not have to pay another month's subs if he can avoid it? That being the case, I can't see how your advice of "why not pay the subs anyway" really helps him.

Another fairly clear inference is that if the free time is not delivered before he goes to uni, he won't get a chance to claim his free time and therefore he'll have experienced the downtime without experiencing the compensation.

Yep as as i said you dont get it......you only get your own view point but that is no suprise.

Ok then i will clarify what i ment with my post so also you get it. What i said is he should just renew it. I dont know his financial situation but if he dies by spending that 12 euro's he shouldnt be playing anyway. But that is besides the point.

He wants to play the 2.5 weeks before he goes to Uni but he prefers not to pay for it and the rest of the month. the point is they will not give any compensation before they solved the problems so everyone will have the chance to benefit from it. It is his bad luck that the compensation will arrive most likely when he is in Uni.

So if he wants to play those 2.5 weeks he will have to reactivate his account.

And btw GOA owes him absolutely nothing. They were generous enough to give freedays to all players eventho the service was still available. Yes i know you dont agree with it but hey....

All in all compensation will be given and when it is posted by GOA on the website we will know when we get it. Patience is a virtue.

Always find it mighty funny when someone is telling me the reasons i wrote something and my thoughts of it. Cryn the pshyic

Post by **Lairiodd** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:08 pm

They will likely give the free time on September 16th, when the bonuses end, though that's my guess.

Monk · Post by **Monk** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:56 pm

thx for all the answers everyone and i didnt expect an arguement to arise, so ill clarify, my financial situation isnt bad that i cant renew sub, btu if i get 10 free days, the renewing subs would be a waste of money personally, as i wont be abel to use them, but what i dont understand is surely just adding 10 days to everyone subs, even if they have currently got an active acct would not do any harm? ppl who have an active acct will play out their current contract then move onto the free days and ppl who run out/ran out recently would be able to play for 10 days, i understand ppl wouldnt want to waste their 10 days b4 they get their items back.

BUT

for me personally it would eb more effective to have the 10 days now then when im in lancaster (where i cant play) and therefore would be a waste for me.

Twist the arguement round though, why are we paying subs while we havent got our items? if for arguemnts sake a person only had 1 main character, who got stripped, and therefore could not do much, is it fair that their paying subs? shld they not have this time while the items arent returned free? (i reaslise we dont get compo for that, even though we shld, but we get a nice wad of cash so im not that bothered)

anyway was just hoping that i wouldnt need to renew, just play out the 10 days then get rdy to go uni, but anyway thanks for all the replies

Monk · Post by **Monk** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:57 pm

Quinlan wrote:Take two pints less and voila there is your months sub and one less worry

lol btw im sure glad i dont go to your local, 4 quid a pint! it better be the best damn beer in the world

Belisar · Post by **Belisar** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:44 pm

Quinlan wrote:
And btw GOA owes him absolutely nothing. They were generous enough to give freedays to all players eventho the service was still available.

I think you know this is a somewhat harsh point of view that a lot of people are not going to be happy with. Not going to say more than that about it as it is one of those things which could turn into a never ending argument.

Quinlan wrote:
All in all compensation will be given and when it is posted by GOA on the website we will know when we get it. Patience is a virtue.

In other words we will get it when we get it ? Most informative.

Seems to me the issue is we do not know how the GOA subs system works.

Does it say your subs will end of the 1st October - in which case could they not add an extra 10 days now? Doing so makes no difference to most players and GOA have repeatedly said their actions are designed to look after the majority.

Or does their system work on a coundown basis (i.e. you have 11 days of playing time left) in which case they will need to turn the countdown off at some point and doing so could interfere with their other actions (i.e character restoration).

As with a lot of other issues most of us do not know the answer and so it is somewhat pointless guessing. Much better that GOA explain when (and if necessary how) the free days will work. I am one of those who has felt that we have been less than ideally informed about a lot of things but I can understand it is hard to keep up with the never ending flow of questions and "what if's" us players have.

So Quin is right in a way - we will just have to wait and see.

Quinlan · Post by **Quinlan** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:55 pm

Belisar wrote: Does it say your subs will end of the 1st October - in which case could they not add an extra 10 days now? Doing so makes no difference to most players and GOA have repeatedly said their actions are designed to look after the majority.

Or does their system work on a coundown basis (i.e. you have 11 days of playing time left) in which case they will need to turn the countdown off at some point and doing so could interfere with their other actions (i.e character restoration).

As with a lot of other issues most of us do not know the answer and so it is somewhat pointless guessing. Much better that GOA explain when (and if necessary how) the free days will work. I am one of those who has felt that we have been less than ideally informed about a lot of things but I can understand it is hard to keep up with the never ending flow of questions and "what if's" us players have.

So Quin is right in a way - we will just have to wait and see.

What happened in previous times we got free days is just that the end day of your subscription was moved by x days. In this case it will be moved 10 days. I am curious tho how they will work with now closed acounts that where open on the crash day.

I assume they will reopen them for 10 days. Just guessing tho

Ovi · Post by **Ovi** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:37 pm

Quinlan wrote:
I assume they will reopen them for 10 days. Just guessing tho

Fairly sure that's what they did last time too.

Cryn · Post by **Cryn** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 2:32 pm

Quinlan wrote:Ok then i will clarify what i ment with my post so also you get it. What i said is he should just renew it. I dont know his financial situation but if he dies by spending that 12 euro's he shouldnt be playing anyway. But that is besides the point.

Why does someone have to die before an issue is worthwhile? Someone wanting their beer AND their DAoC isn't really asking a lot. Someone wanting to save a tenner if they can, when they are owed it anyway, is not asking too much either.

the point is they will not give any compensation before they solved the problems so everyone will have the chance to benefit from it.

Don't see how you work this out. If they are going to add it to the end of our subs period, giving it earlier helps more people than giving it later. Someone playing PAID now without items is at an equal disadvantage to someone who would be playing for free, so how does them holding off benefit a single person?

And btw GOA owes him absolutely nothing. They were generous enough to give freedays to all players eventho the service was still available. Yes i know you dont agree with it but hey....

No. This is your point, and you like making it but it has nothing to do with why I said they owed us it. I said GOA owe the free days purely and simply because they made a post on their website saying we'd be given them. In my book, once someone has agreed to give you something they owe it to you.

All in all compensation will be given and when it is posted by GOA on the website we will know when we get it. Patience is a virtue.

Indeed it is a virtue. But there are many times in life when pragmatics are a lot more relevant that virtue. If you had taken Spet's initial post in sympathy instead of using it as just another opportunity to lecture us about how we should all be nice to GOA, you might have realised that.

We know how you feel about GOA. Anyone who goes back and reads your brilliantly reasoned (and utterly wrong) predictions about how hardly anyone would be affected by item loss can see that. You don't need to hit someone over the head with it in every thread where they ask a question.