Cernos wrote:Finally the group get buffed and sets off. They jump off the boat wherever they're going, get ambushed by the zerg or a high RR GG using radar and die in 10 seconds flat. "Are we releasing then?" ..... so it's back to border keep, rinse and repeat.
Well I wasn't being entirely serious, just illustrating how you can spend all that time farting around with getting the perfect buffs only to all die immediately in the first contact on running out, only to have to do it all again.Oceaa wrote:I like the way high RR is paired with 'RADAR MEIGHTS.' Fyi, radar is very very low usage on this server. I can usually tell inc. and how many from 1000-2000 units just based purely on slight lag in different directions.
I think that's the thing with radar, only one person needs it in group for the entire group to have the advantage of it. 6.6% of 545 players is around 36 players, times that by 8 assuming those players are running as part of a fg and you've got 288 players with the advantage of radar - this makes the radar problem far worse than it would if radar benefitted only the person using it and not his entire group. Honestly after the US server bans that pretty much killed radar there off even I was amazed at how bad radar useage is and it irks me somewhat that although say the bard, healer or sorc of a group their got banned for radar, that the other 7 people in his/her group are still running round with the 5mill rps or whatever they gained from exploiting their group leader's radar. I think it's naive to think euro doesn't have an equally high radar population it's just for some reason not talked about their so much. Perhaps because GOA have no method to /appeal suspected cheats so people just have to live with it and hope GOA act just on the right now reports. I'm not sure now if GOA have the tools to do the final mass bannings that killed radar off on the US or not but it really did make the game a whole lot better imo - I can run round as a solo caster again and not get radared down by the groups that spoil it for everyone else. I remember on euro there were quite a few groups and players I suspected of radar however as there was no way to appeal, as Right Now was far too cumbersome and problematic and as no one else spoke up I just kept quiet about it, comparing that now to my experience on US of appealling suspected radar users and seeing them get banned proving my suspicions right I'd wager a bet that many of my euro suspicions were correct too. Of course I haven't played euro in a while so have no idea what it's like now but seeing as all radar programs I've seen work on euro too and as many were even initially developed on euro I'd say it's as much a problem there as it was on US pre-mass bannings unless GOA have done the same mass bannings to clean up that Mythic did.Cernos wrote:Well I wasn't being entirely serious, just illustrating how you can spend all that time farting around with getting the perfect buffs only to all die immediately in the first contact on running out, only to have to do it all again.
I can't comment on current radar usage, I don't play anymore. It wasn't so low last time I was active in RvR though, both on US servers and EU.
Coincidentally, there's a poll running on FH about cheating:
http://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=193452
Seems 6.6% of 545 respondants so far are willing to admit to having used radar at some point, so draw your own conclusions.
I don't think Mythic do do too much to be honest, in terms of classes at least. There was nothing fundamentally wrong with the design of the bainshees, the bonedancer, the savage, the warlock, the animist etc. I just think there's some other underlying reason for making them so overpowered, I mean the bainshee is certainly the most obvious example, why should a class have a an AE DD that doesn't falloff despite every other single AE in the game doing it? Why is the bainshee baseline DD such high delve and completely out of line with every other DD in the game? Again with savage, was it not blatantly obvious that a class with more defence, decent utility and more DPS than any other tank in game was going to be overpowered? To me that doesn't sound like an issue of trying to do too much, it sounds like making the classes overpowered for some unknown underlying reason (To get the numbers of the class up in population and comparitive to existing classes maybe?) or just sheer incompetence on behalf of the class designer. I don't think it's particularly hard to design a new class who's dps/defence balance is in line with with existing classes - again with the bainshee DD, is it really so hard to make it 219, 209 or 179 like just about every other nuke in game?Ovi wrote:My biggest worry is that they try to do too much, which I think is one of the problems with DAoC. I think the class balance in Wow is much better, because they only have 9 classes to balance. Mythic have more than that for each realm!
For a PvP orientated game I would like to see a bit more variety, but I think Mythic went too far with DAoC, especially with the 2 add-ons that added classes.
Yea, lots of 50 Nurture spec Druids in groupsAdalyn wrote:You don't need to scrounge buffs of people, you can 'Group' with people if you ever heard of it. by the sound of it you haven't if you have to 'scrounge' for buffs to go RvR with.
No wonder your another one complaining about buffs, make a group friendly class and oh look you can join groups for buffs. 2 druids 40nurt/30reg and your sorted.Ovi wrote:Yea, lots of 50 Nurture spec Druids in groups
Lots of stealthers with 50 Nurture spec too, when I was playing my Ranger :sheepskip (Not to mention no whinging about running in stealth groups to start with!)
When I last played and ran in a regular RvR group, we had to have at least 2 BBs before we could even think of going to RvR, and that doesn't take into account the hassle factor Cernos described.
Xest wrote:
I don't think Mythic do do too much to be honest, in terms of classes at least. There was nothing fundamentally wrong with the design of the bainshees, the bonedancer, the savage, the warlock, the animist etc. I just think there's some other underlying reason for making them so overpowered, I mean the bainshee is certainly the most obvious example, why should a class have a an AE DD that doesn't falloff despite every other single AE in the game doing it? Why is the bainshee baseline DD such high delve and completely out of line with every other DD in the game? Again with savage, was it not blatantly obvious that a class with more defence, decent utility and more DPS than any other tank in game was going to be overpowered? To me that doesn't sound like an issue of trying to do too much, it sounds like making the classes overpowered for some unknown underlying reason (To get the numbers of the class up in population and comparitive to existing classes maybe?) or just sheer incompetence on behalf of the class designer. I don't think it's particularly hard to design a new class who's dps/defence balance is in line with with existing classes - again with the bainshee DD, is it really so hard to make it 219, 209 or 179 like just about every other nuke in game?
Adalyn wrote:No wonder your another one complaining about buffs, make a group friendly class and oh look you can join groups for buffs. 2 druids 40nurt/30reg and your sorted.
Yes, I agree totally on the point that OF was indeed getting old and that too would have driven away people aswell as NF has done, but, NF by design and concept is a disaster, pure 100% disaster. The bad things i see with it is:Adalyn wrote:Altho i agree with you shike that NF drove a lot of people away from DAoC. But surely would they still be playing the game now if it still was OF? in my opinion a new scenary (spelling?) was needed to keep people playing.
