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lol @ this tbh. Totally dictatorship!

On the other side though, this could increase prices on gold sold on ebay! ;)
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I agree with Lothandar and Xest, but not totally: you gave a nice example of black-white logic of their parents, and that leads to nothing.

The key in my opinion is rather moderation, not prohibition. (And in fact the Chinese don't prohibit either, and as disclaimer I'll tell again that I don't totally agree with their measurements.) Nevertheless, the freedom for certain people should be limited as in the long term it will only turn back on them. Like you said, the addiction isn't the root of the problem. But by letting people give in to any addiction will never help them grasp the problem.

Then the problem is, who needs the help and who doesn't? Should you limit "regular" people in their freedom to help some or not? The grey zone in our society: if we say wealthfare for all, why not take it further?

As basically, wealthfare/social security is the same: the "stronger" have some sort of limited freedom by helping the "weaker", and thereby the "stronger" prevent themselves from turning "weak" also
--> the stronger of mind have to limit their game time for the "weaker" and thereby also prevent themselves from becoming addicted?
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Post by Lothandar »

Compton wrote:The key in my opinion is rather moderation, not prohibition.
And what I was trying to hint on in my post: Parents should moderate their children, not the government.

Preferably not in the way shown in my example

A 3 hour limit is very similar to it though. Rather than trying to do something interesting, they LIMIT.

This whole thing's a balony hahaha, 3 hours...


Needless to say that people dying from fatique played more than 24+ hours in a row.


Why not put the limit on 16 hours? Then it wouldn't bother anyone I'm sure ><

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Post by Lieva »

how do these people die tho??

3 days you can live without water before you die.

is it only 24hrs without sleep??

if so im a walking corpse cause im sure ive done that before :p
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Banana wrote:how do these people die tho??

3 days you can live without water before you die.

is it only 24hrs without sleep??

if so im a walking corpse cause im sure ive done that before :p
Yeah I did 48 hours in a row too but I was 14 not 25 or 30 ;p

I also consider myself physically fit. Mind you these people use certain drugs to speed themselves up to avoid natural tiredom. (and are effectively worn out)

I stopped ofc, because when you go to sleep after 48 hours of uptime you feel like something that just came out of the washing machine.

Addon: Of course it's always the games "killing" people, not themselves ><

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Post by OohhoO »

I suppose it's partly a political/philosophical question.

Do you believe that the state should take over peoples responsibility for their own actions, thus effectively absolving the individual of that responsibility? (blablabla dies after 2 3/4 hours playtime - mother of blablabla demands to know why the state didn't set the limit at 2 1/2 hours i/o 3 hours ...)

Or do you believe that the people themselves should be responsible (and also HELD responsible) for their own actions?

How much state regulation do individuals need?
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Post by Cernos »

What governments fail to realise is everyone is different. Some people have addictive personalities, some don't. Some peoples bodies can stand massive amounts of abuse, others can't. Some people are capable of self regulation / moderation, some aren't. The trouble is governments like to slap restrictions on the majority of people who are sensible about what they do with their lives because a minority can't be sensible. But those restrictions rarely stop that minority and just serve to penalise the majority. Ban an addictive personality from X and they'll either take their addiction for X 'underground' or switch to being addicted to Y.

Rather than trying to run a 'Nanny State' as seems the vogue in so many countries (including the UK), governments would do better to fully educate people about the risks of certain things so they can make their own choices (rather than brainwash with inaccurate scare mongering or over legislate) and then provide proper support and therapy for those who want to tackle their addiction (which can take many forms, there's plenty of legal addictions).

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