The ethics of dragon raiding -- split from WTS Full respec stone

General 'Hibernian' forum for the entire cluster
Finolin
Posts: 441
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:50 pm
Location: London

Post by Finolin »

Belisar wrote:Did have an incident recently where a rare scroll I sold cheaply was then sold on by for a nice profit (or perhaps they were just lucky and got another quite quickly). But it kind of makes me think that you can try to do the right thing (such as Malim is) but some people (and not everyone) will try and take advantage if they can.
It would be relatively easy to 'corner the market' on certain items that people sell. For instance, there are some rare scrolls of which there are only a handful for sale on the ME. Someone with enough cash could buy them all, and then relist them at a higher price. There would be work involved to snatch up any of the item that showed up at a lower price, and there's always the danger that if you put the prices up too much people will just farm for themselves, but still it could be very profitable if that's the way you wanted to play the game. And it is just a game.
Finolin, 50th Elven Void Eldritch ML10 Convoker
Felia, 50th Celt Bard ML10 Sojourner
Fert, 50th Sylvan Arboreal Animist ML10 Convoker
Finality, 50th Sylvan Valewalker ML10 Battlemaster
Finoshar, 50th Shar Hero ML10 Battlemaster
Findrid, 50th Celt Druid ML10 Perfector
Fiat, 50th Celt Druid ML10 Perfector
Finesty, 50th Shar Mentalist ML10 Warlord
Fung, 50th Sylvan Verdant Animist ML10 Convoker
Finchant, 50th Elven Mana Enchanter ML10 Convoker

Ankh Morpork

Post by Ankh Morpork »

Finolin wrote:It would be relatively easy to 'corner the market' on certain items that people sell. For instance, there are some rare scrolls of which there are only a handful for sale on the ME. Someone with enough cash could buy them all, and then relist them at a higher price. There would be work involved to snatch up any of the item that showed up at a lower price, and there's always the danger that if you put the prices up too much people will just farm for themselves, but still it could be very profitable if that's the way you wanted to play the game. And it is just a game.
Aye, thats the problem. I think the majority would agree to lower the prices, but there is always atleast ONE who would think in the way you just described and one is enough to ruin the system.

Also, you suck Finolin - just thought I had to add it ]/Ankh[/B]

Finolin
Posts: 441
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:50 pm
Location: London

Post by Finolin »

Ankh Morpork wrote:Aye, thats the problem. I think the majority would agree to lower the prices, but there is always atleast ONE who would think in the way you just described and one is enough to ruin the system.
Ruin the system? Hardly. If you don't like the prices someone is charging, even if they're the only one selling, you can always farm things yourself, or with some of the majority you think would agree to lower the prices.

Finolin
Finolin, 50th Elven Void Eldritch ML10 Convoker
Felia, 50th Celt Bard ML10 Sojourner
Fert, 50th Sylvan Arboreal Animist ML10 Convoker
Finality, 50th Sylvan Valewalker ML10 Battlemaster
Finoshar, 50th Shar Hero ML10 Battlemaster
Findrid, 50th Celt Druid ML10 Perfector
Fiat, 50th Celt Druid ML10 Perfector
Finesty, 50th Shar Mentalist ML10 Warlord
Fung, 50th Sylvan Verdant Animist ML10 Convoker
Finchant, 50th Elven Mana Enchanter ML10 Convoker

Ovi
Emerald Rider
Posts: 952
Joined: Mon Feb 07, 2005 1:13 pm

Post by Ovi »

Not much different to rl economics tbh, except cash in game is probably easier to come by for most people :)

At least we don't need to "waste" money on food and drink for the characters yet ;)

Lairiodd
Emerald Rider
Posts: 1763
Joined: Sat Feb 05, 2005 12:00 pm

Post by Lairiodd »

I have a question, why is it OK to roll for a 2nd stone and then keep it for trade and not OK to sell it for money ? In effect, a respec stone becomes a 10p coin :).
Finolin wrote:It would be relatively easy to 'corner the market' on certain items that people sell. For instance, there are some rare scrolls of which there are only a handful for sale on the ME. Someone with enough cash could buy them all, and then relist them at a higher price.
Perfectly fair.
There would be work involved to snatch up any of the item that showed up at a lower price, and there's always the danger that if you put the prices up too much people will just farm for themselves, but still it could be very profitable if that's the way you wanted to play the game. And it is just a game.
and this is why it wouldn't work. Somebody who tries to corner the market would end up being undercut. You might be able to increase the prices slightly but there is alot of risk. If someone decides to flood the market, you can also lose money.
Prydwen
Lairiodd Level 50 Nightshade and Legendary Grandmaster Smith (1065) check prices here
Lairirian Level 50 Mana Mentalist and Legendary Spellcrafter (TDD)
Lairgreybark Level 50 Arb Animist
Lairmindlock Level 50 Bard (TDD)
Camlann
Lairthall Level 35+ Friar

Stocking one 99% of most of the useful spellcrafting gems at Houses 3304 and 3306

Over 150 gems at 99% stocked

User avatar
stupeh
Emerald Rider
Posts: 676
Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:56 am

Post by stupeh »

less modding my post imo ;<
~

Alexandrinus
Emerald Rider
Posts: 1523
Joined: Sun Feb 06, 2005 9:44 am
Location: Austria

Post by Alexandrinus »

tbh stupeh your <modded> word is nothing for prydwen.net

and to the 12plat stone.....you will never can change the market,the market is a self leveling economy from supply and demand.........im real sad about such prices because i know there are so many gentle peeps here in hib wich do there owne micro economic of fair prices and trade already

Arkaon / Karak-Norn
and plenty of other chars between 10 and 30

User avatar
stupeh
Emerald Rider
Posts: 676
Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:56 am

Post by stupeh »

i dont care if its 'nothing' for the forums, id prefer what i said not to be modded by admins :| not like it was even a tiny bit extreme xd
~

Aardh
Emerald Rider
Posts: 68
Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:18 am
Location: Sweden

Post by Aardh »

I never understood why people think its ok to buy a scroll for an artifact, or even the arti itself for 5-15p (or sometimes even more), but find it so hard to pay about 10p for a full respec stone. Back in the days when we could farm them with 1fg animist and some naturalists, 10p each might had been a bit overprice (and i sold em for 3p each back then as well). But that isnt possible anymore, and all/most of those stone are long gone. However, its still possible to duo most (if not all) scrolls in the game with chanter/druid, menta/druid or with chanter/menta combo with a druid standing next to you. Do that with the dragon and you will have all the respect you can get in this game :)

I think its quite odd that you can charge 10p for a scroll that you might be lucky with getting on some ml raid. while its not accepted to pay just as much for a thing like a respec stone, that changes your characters performance completely (while a scroll or even arti is just 1 brick in the wall for most templates).

This is just my point of view though, not saying im right :)

Peace out! im of to zhe pub! :)
Member of the <Remedy> animist crew of death and destruction

Finolin
Posts: 441
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:50 pm
Location: London

Post by Finolin »

Lairiodd wrote:and this is why it wouldn't work. Somebody who tries to corner the market would end up being undercut. You might be able to increase the prices slightly but there is alot of risk. If someone decides to flood the market, you can also lose money.
To be honest I think it would work if you pick the right item and have the time/money to control the market. Set the price low enough that people don't feel the need to go farm for themselves or flood the market, but high enough that you make money.

Of course, I still have a never-worn Ancient Cracked Stag Hide in a vault (won in a lotto), which at one point was fairly valuable but which I neither sold nor used, so I'm probably not the best person to be giving advice in terms of financial speculation.
Finolin, 50th Elven Void Eldritch ML10 Convoker
Felia, 50th Celt Bard ML10 Sojourner
Fert, 50th Sylvan Arboreal Animist ML10 Convoker
Finality, 50th Sylvan Valewalker ML10 Battlemaster
Finoshar, 50th Shar Hero ML10 Battlemaster
Findrid, 50th Celt Druid ML10 Perfector
Fiat, 50th Celt Druid ML10 Perfector
Finesty, 50th Shar Mentalist ML10 Warlord
Fung, 50th Sylvan Verdant Animist ML10 Convoker
Finchant, 50th Elven Mana Enchanter ML10 Convoker

Post Reply

Return to “Hibernian Cluster Discussion”