Applying to NE.

[Moley:)]

Hehe , come to think of it dunno if i have access to allaince forum :lol:

[Alexandrinus]

ok i made a post there

[levelnix]

my veto against kicking mirage before
speaking with lenah wasn t heared
that really suxx
i was vetoing in gm meeting for gpk and aurora borealis against
kicking mirage and the deal was to speak again with lenah before kicking
mirage or to kick her and if she want s back to take her back
and that i agreed then

i don t discusse how many guildmenbers in some guilds are or who plays
on wich server (most got other chars in other realms
and servers) and everyone knows we have a lot of 2-3 player guild so don t
come with such arguments

i m really pissed of the way this was running and i think all should
know the facts and
why make a secret of that ? to support
some who makeing theire own rules, mobbing ect.
sorry not with me i m straight, honest and i say what i think
and that was against the deal we made and not a fair acting against
a old still active guild in allly

[Belisar]

I can see this degerating into a non-productive swapping of arguments so I'll kick myself later for posting this but...

Afaik the veto only works one way - i.e. against accepting guilds - and other decisions are made by majority vote. So if you were in the GM chat and said not to kick and the other GM's all said to kick then the majority wins.

I am saddened that it has come down to this but why should one GM have to chase another GM asking for a response to a number of posts on a number of platforms ? And if you were that strongly in favour of that course of action why did you not make the effort yourself ?

Guild numbers is one argument and guild activity is another. One measure of activity is taking an interest in alliance issues and to do that checking the right threads and responding as appropriate is necessary. Mirage failed to do that for whatever reason.

As for guild numbers - as far as I can see the only question raised is to whether the claimed people from a couple of guilds have joined. My only comment on that was that if they have, Lenah may want to rightnow it as they are not reporting and it seems that part of the html coding is working fine for other guilds.

Not sure that anyone is making their own rules and I was not part of the GM meet so not sure what the final agreement was - but my understanding of alliance rules may differ from yours.

[levelnix]

I can see this degerating into a non-productive swapping of arguments so I'll kick myself later for posting this but...

Afaik the veto only works one way - i.e. against accepting guilds - and other decisions are made by majority vote. So if you were in the GM chat and said not to kick and the other GM's all said to kick then the majority wins.

I am saddened that it has come down to this but why should one GM have to chase another GM asking for a response to a number of posts on a number of platforms ? And if you were that strongly in favour of that course of action why did you not make the effort yourself ?

Guild numbers is one argument and guild activity is another. One measure of activity is taking an interest in alliance issues and to do that checking the right threads and responding as appropriate is necessary. Mirage failed to do that for whatever reason.

As for guild numbers - as far as I can see the only question raised is to whether the claimed people from a couple of guilds have joined. My only comment on that was that if they have, Lenah may want to rightnow it as they are not reporting and it seems that part of the html coding is working fine for other guilds.

Not sure that anyone is making their own rules and I was not part of the GM meet so not sure what the final agreement was - but my understanding of alliance rules may differ from yours.

the point is we made a agreement at gm meeting and it was broken
nothing else to discusse imo

[Lenah]

Hmkay.

Belisar : Yes I was aware that there is a GM meeting coming about guilds to be removed, and there was a post of it here http://www.prydwen.net/showthread.php?t=2332 , as you can see I have answered asking for few more days to sort the guild matters out. Part I wasn't aware, that even after my answer, GM meeting can just consider Mirage as inactive and remove without discussing about it. Been in contact with Aran almost daily about how things progress in both guilds.

They're still progressing. Duskwave is correct with the member count, Quickstar Tamarra and Sturgis still needs invite, I haven't reached them yet online at same time. Silhouette is also to be reached.

Anyway, NE alliance GM has a veto rights "for a good reason". No names are required I do agree, but atleast give a damn good reason why you have to have alliance that has room for 3 more guilds and keep us out? If its about keeping me out from NE alliance, you got to be joking to even try.

[Alexandrinus]

there one more point i dont understand,Levelnix said that at the guildmeeting the temporary termination from NE-alliance was discussed.And that they had a right to come back.
When was the other meeting where Gio was attending? who announced it and when?
I was online whole monday night and grouped with nearly 80% of our GPK members, and nobody said about the meeting.
The meeting had to be yesterday?
it has the look of a putsch,and not correct to me.

[Satyn]

Hmkay.


Sturgis still needs invite

If its about keeping me out from NE alliance, you got to be joking to even try.

Sturgis joined FS sunday after you're msn meeting wich was 30min! before the gm meeting, wonder why you couldnt be there but anyway. Last night 2 more from chosen joined us, mateus and his dad. You better get your facts straight.

and tbh I dont like your tone in your last sentence either

[Lenah]

Information about Sturgis is new to me, he didn't mention his joining, nor any meeting in MSN. Fine. When things are progressing, there hardly is any "facts", its just latest news.

I dont really care what tonetype you like, I demand the reason _Why_ its inapropriate for Mirage to join the alliance it has been 2 years without any, I repeat ANY problems. I have the right for that much as a person and as a GM, so dont try make this a personal vendetta (or have you already?).

[Satyn]

Information about Sturgis is new to me, he didn't mention his joining, nor any meeting in MSN. Fine. When things are progressing, there hardly is any "facts", its just latest news.

I dont really care what tonetype you like, I demand the reason _Why_ its inapropriate for Mirage to join the alliance it has been 2 years without any, I repeat ANY problems. I have the right for that much as a person and as a GM, so dont try make this a personal vendetta (or have you already?).

Sturgis joined us while you guys were still having the meeting on msn.
And this isnt a personal vendetta, i dont know you, havent been on any of your reads, havent been in your guild... dont recall being in chosen with you either so really dont see where you're getting this.