paedophiles in politics

Satyn · Post by **Satyn** » Tue May 30, 2006 12:08 pm

Some paedophiles decided to run for election in Holland. They want to allow sex with children. Want to lower to age to have sex to 12 and then eventually not have an age limit for sex. They want to allow children in porn movies.

this shocked me

Sharkith · Post by **Sharkith** » Tue May 30, 2006 4:24 pm

thats shocks me too, what a test of democratic tolerance.

Post by **Lieva** » Tue May 30, 2006 6:00 pm

it shocks me that it isnt allowed by universal law to allow the parents of abused children to use a shotgun on these sick .. id put a swear word in but i cant think of one harsh enough.

<ankh> · Post by **<ankh>** » Tue May 30, 2006 6:42 pm

Let them in, they will soon realize that it doesnt matter if they want it or not - as the country will be judged by the rest of the world by their actions anyway so they will be forced to remove their new laws anyway + Im pretty sure the U.N would try to stop it anyway. It's actually quite good if they reveal themself and suggest these kind of things - easier to target them if you know who they are! Tbh I would personally gladly get my hands on their names and adresses...easier to make their life a living hell.

Only problem with how I reason is that if they do get their laws - even if they will be forced to remove them incredible fast it might still not be fast enough to stop them from abusing kids before they are removed.

Edit: Im not suprised tbh that Holland suggest this...no offence dutch prydwen users, but thats is imo one fkkd up country.. (with exceptions ofc)

/Ankh

<ankh> · Post by **<ankh>** » Tue May 30, 2006 6:44 pm

Sharkith wrote:thats shocks me too, what a test of democratic tolerance.

/Agree

/Ankh

Post by **Lairiodd** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:10 pm

<ankh> wrote:Let them in, they will soon realize that it doesnt matter if they want it or not - as the country will be judged by the rest of the world by their actions anyway so they will be forced to remove their new laws anyway + Im pretty sure the U.N would try to stop it anyway. It's actually quite good if they reveal themself and suggest these kind of things - easier to target them if you know who they are! Tbh I would personally gladly get my hands on their names and adresses...easier to make their life a living hell.

The UN has very little to say about it. There are states in the US where it is 12 IIRC and the federal government says nothing (not to mind the UN).

Democracy is about everyone getting a say. This leads to compromise .. though on this topic there is not likely to be much room for that.

Only problem with how I reason is that if they do get their laws - even if they will be forced to remove them incredible fast it might still not be fast enough to stop them from abusing kids before they are removed.

The odds are pretty low of them getting them implemented I would assume.

With PR "undesirables" can get elected. However, they still don't have much power. Surely it is better that they are involved in politics rather than just breaking the law ?

One possibility would be that they would manage to get the age reduced by a year or two due to holding balance of power. However, since most people (and presumably most Dutch) would feel that protecting children is a good thing, they are unlikely to get all (or even most) protections eliminated.

Edit: Im not suprised tbh that Holland suggest this...no offence dutch prydwen users, but thats is imo one fkkd up country.. (with exceptions ofc)

They seem to be pretty pro-freedom. I don't see why that is necessarily a bad thing.

There was a supreme court judgement in Ireland a few weeks ago which strikes down the Irish law which was that you were automatically guilty of rape if you had sex with a 15 year old or younger girl even if you thought she was older.

The case at hand was of a 17 year old boy having sex with a 15 year old girl. She told him she was 16.

There was another case in the US where two 12 year olds (I think) had sex. The court found them both guilty of raping each other and they got a criminal record (wiped when they turned 18 presumably).

Post by **Xest** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:25 pm

I remember seeing some argument sometime ago from a UK politician who put across the argument that lowering the age of consent to 12 would have the effect of lowering teenage pregnancies and such and that it had in fact been proven effective in some other countries. Whilst controversal it certainly holds some grounding because it makes sex something less hyped, many kids do it because kids just want to feel grown up, when you turn sex into something that isn't just done by grown ups it becomes less magical and kids care less about it. Essentially the argument is that sex being illegal wont deter people from underage sex, whereas a form of twisted reverse phsycology in fact will have more effect.

<ankh> · Post by **<ankh>** » Tue May 30, 2006 8:11 pm

Lairiodd wrote: The odds are pretty low of them getting them implemented I would assume.

Yes, but I wasnt saying that they would get it implemented..it was more speculations what would have happened.

Lairiodd wrote:They seem to be pretty pro-freedom. I don't see why that is necessarily a bad thing.

Freedom isnt always a good thing.

Lairiodd wrote:Surely it is better that they are involved in politics rather than just breaking the law ?

Not sure what you are getting at with this one..who said they wouldnt break the law just cos they are involved in politics? You really expect them to be inactive pedocunts just cos they are politicians??

Edit: Drugs and Prostitutes is imo NOT a good thing.

/Ankh

Ovi · Post by **Ovi** » Wed May 31, 2006 8:06 am

<ankh> wrote:

Not sure what you are getting at with this one..who said they wouldnt break the law just cos they are involved in politics? You really expect them to be inactive pedocunts just cos they are politicians??

Who said they would break the law because they are politicians?

I pretty much agree with Lair, I would rather they stood up for what they believe in and try to get laws changed than go about breaking the laws. Just because someone wants a law changed, doesn't mean they will break the existing laws.

Whilst I do find this particular case disturbing, this is when we need to have faith in democracy. If 50%+ of the people in Holland are peodophiles, and get the law changed then unfortunately that is democracy in action. I suspect that the number of people supporting the proposal will be significantly less and that it won't get far anyway, again democracy in action.

This is also a very good argument for why you should always use your vote, even if you don't think it is important. If you don't the minority groups can end up being over-represented in the places that matter.

<ankh> · Post by **<ankh>** » Wed May 31, 2006 8:10 am

Ovi wrote:Who said they would break the law because they are politicians?

You are missing the point "Some paedophiles decided to run for election in Holland."

Notice..which means they already ARE paedophiles. I seriously doubt they would stop being so just because they become politicians.

Edit: Sure, its nice they stand up for what they belive..but do you want any of them in a society? Would you like the serial killers to become politicans to fight for what they belive too? Imo I a paedophile is worth less than a serial killer in my eyes so why not..

Edit 2: I never did say they would break the law just because they are politicians, but they are fighting for a twisted way of life that Im pretty sure 100% of us in this forum concider to be wrong. And to fight for this, you have to belive its right...and if you do - your a scum.

Edit 3: Paedophiles should have no rights at all. And btw - I don't belive in democracy. Why? Cos its just the reason why these kind of things can happen.

Edit 4: I better add that I have no trust in any type of goverment or Anarchy.
/Ankh