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Don't read the papers that much but sometimes there are some really interesting articles. Take the Sunday times last week - two articles really struck me as interesting the first was on Russia's mortality and birth rates:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1794617,00.html

The second on Young Muslim women in the UK and their rebelliousness:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,10654-1794818,00.html

I thought you guys might find these interesting -= seeing as it has fallen quiet here.

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The Times wrote:it was a little like the “What have the Romans ever done for us?” scene in Monty Python’s Life of Brian. Yes, apart from equality, democracy, religious tolerance and freedom of speech, British morality had done nothing for Hadil. Mr Phillips, chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality, described these hard-won and magnificent freedoms as “simple truths which bind us together”. Talking about being British one cannot but adopt a Hugh Grant stumbling modesty, so ill-mannered and jingoistic does it sound to bang a drum, even very softly.
I liked that =).

I can understand where the girl is coming from alright, and she has chosen a way of "Fighting the man". however the reaction she got from the older woman was not something she was counting on.

it would be like changing the Chatolic Church, becuase you prefer it that way.
The older generations won't accept it.

But still =)
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yeah Janice Turner is a very good writer I do find her entertaining: Anyway this was a beautiful way to finish the column:
And I felt insufferably pompous even raising these questions with these bright, funny girls. I suggested they were far more British than they thought. They laughed that living in Iran and compelled to wear the hijab they would probably spend their lives trying to break the rule. “I love it here,” said Dunya, 17. “I never feel excluded in London — there are so many different cultures and we mostly get on.” So why don’t citzenship classes teach that when multiculturalism works it is because British tolerance has made it possible? And that the debate, between the West and Islam that will dominate the political agenda throughout Hadil’s lifetime amounts to more than a choice between the hijab and the thong.
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Masha Petrachkova, 26, and her husband, Aleksei, delayed having children in order to finish their studies and save enough money to move out of her parents’ apartment. She would like a second child, but is worried about supporting Lisa.

“We’ll see how life goes and we’ll try to give Lisa everything she wants but it will be hard,” she said. “If you don’t have the financial resources in Russia, then you shouldn’t give birth.”
Its a bit the same over in Belgium. I get 75 euro's a month for Viggo. And that cost hardly takes care of his dipers. Medical costs, food, clothes, toys ... I adore kids and I would love a second baby but I want to give my son everything possible and I wouldnt be able to do that with a second baby. :(


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“If you don’t have the financial resources in Russia, then you shouldn’t give birth.”
I agree with this statement. if you do not have financial security, then you shouldn't have a baby.
I suppose I think like this because of the thousands of teenage mothers in England that expect money and housing because they popped a sprog. And the labour government that is just giving it to them.

Janice Turner's article was amusing.
Yet in reply to the question “Do you feel British?” Hadil shrugged and said: “I look at British culture and see no moral values which appeal to me.”
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So after the debate I asked Hadil if there was nothing about British society she admired? Did she not believe women should be able to vote? (Yes, she did.) If she had to appear in court, did she think her testimony was worth that of any man? (Too right.) Had she not just enjoyed, that very afternoon, freedom of religious expression — indeed of an expensive, state-funded, multi-media variety? (Well, yes.) Wasn’t it fabulous that while given the choice of wearing the hijab, she was not compelled to do so? (Yes.) And that, although she does receive the occasional rude remark about her chosen dress, she mostly walks the streets unmolested? Were not these freedoms also part of British morality, just as much as throwing up outside All Bar One or wearing your knickers above your jeans? And was there a Muslim nation on earth that would afford her the same rights? (Probably not.)
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