Freeshard

Cromcruaich · Post by **Cromcruaich** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:08 am

Whats unfortunate here is that the people arguing in favour of keeping this thread alive, and for the justification for these servers are the people on the whole no longer play on the prydwen server.

This site is called prydwen.net. Loyalty should be to prydwen and the prydwen players, freeshard can only do harm to prydwen.

Thanks satyn for trying, maybe its time to have prydwen.net modded by people who play on prydwen. People can feel free to go and discuss this on a freeshard forum.

I dont give a shit about the legality which makes an interesting point of discussion, all i give a shit about is the Prydwen/Excalibur cluster.

<ankh> · Post by **<ankh>** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:10 am

but it is after all - the Off Topic section

I don't play daoc anymore (well, I do with a trial account atm) but Im not in favour for freeshards - far from it.

/Ankh

Takitothemacs · Post by **Takitothemacs** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:13 am

The E&E team have a duty as volunteers to have a balanced view and perspective, as the voice of the community they should be in a position to give feedback both positive and negative without apprehension or fear of upsetting peoples fragile sensibilities.

I quote from an email from Kemor which I feel is relevant at this point

Kemor wrote:The only "duty" for an E&E is to give me feedback. Good or bad, some or lots, every kind of feedback is good. I cannot be everywhere all the time and it's not my job either. However, I try to be in touch with what happens, with the good and the bad, the problems and the solutions. The E&E team plays here an important role by giving me this feedback in exchange of information. This information will in turn change into advises and knowledge that E&E usually use to help other players.

Balanced view was respected and expected. My loss of balance came with a very bad situation... but I still maintained a very balanced view through a great deal of my time as an E&E and feedback both good and bad IS essential... what is done with it after submission is another matter but I digress so lets get back on topic. Just thought it worth knowing what the old school view on the "duty" of an E&E was.

Post by **Xest** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:14 am

I'd be careful what you wish for seeing as Prydwen.net is run entirely by ex-prydwen players seeing as no one else was willing to host it and maintain it when Tenpit dropped it.

It's only natural therefore that it should also cater to ex-Prydwen players alike and this is why ex-Prydwen players discussion about things like this are listed as off-topic.

ambera · Post by **ambera** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:14 am

Crom - I thought you were against censorship? If we're not to discuss anything that might have a detrimental effect on the prydwen server, that rules out all other Glastonbury, WoW, other games, films, other aspects of RL... there are a lot of things that might draw players away from the green place we call home. Don't get me wrong, I don't want anyone to leave any more than you do.

I think the off-topic forum is the right place for this thread.

Sharkith · Post by **Sharkith** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:32 am

To Belisar,

for me there is potentially a lot of good that could come from free shards. The one big thing that these things can do is act as a test bed for ideas that Mythic and GOA cannot do because they are effectively tied economically to a very large shackle of an existing playerbase with all of its prejudices. Freedom from conservative influences is vital for any form of innovation.

Mythic and GOA have to consider the existing player base every time they write in changes to their game and that is a major conservative influence on modifications. They are effectively tied by the potential of large numbers of players to react and leave and so they have to listen to players some of whom are not too bright to suggest changes and to vote on the changes. If you think carefully about that then you have to recognise the possibility that a good proportion of the player base might have very little clue what is good for the game.

I mean I know virtually nothing about Midgard or Albion but effectively I vote for changes in the game without having a basic clue about those sides of the game. How then can I make a decent decision?

Take a free shard - run by someone who obviously loves the game passionately, roll into that what is likely to be a good knowledge of the game and then give them freedom to try out what they like. The chances are they are going to hit on winning formulas that the current developers can only dream of. So for me if Mythic and GOA were to see the possibilities these places present they might well see a chance to change the existing version we all play in really positive ways.

Bearing in mind Croms post take our current problem of population balance. We have too many Albs and a lot of them feel 'trapped' in Albion. An accelerated exp system might allow those trapped people to change sides and this could improve realm balance. We could remove the ability to have two sets of characters on each server in the interests of fast exp. Bingo people have relative freedom and you don't get the negative realm hopping that is currently damaging our server.

So if we think carefully about this in fact all I can see is potential. Once more I am no more inclined to leave the game than I was when I first read the thread. As for the debate about MODS - leave that after all we always like to try and get them back into the game. And that is of course always a possibility.

Post by **Lieva** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:46 am

just to let peeps know
GM DO still come here and read the forum.
They just dont post much mainly i spose cuz when they did everyone asked innane questions etc.

Cromcruaich · Post by **Cromcruaich** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:00 pm

ambera wrote:Crom - I thought you were against censorship? If we're not to discuss anything that might have a detrimental effect on the prydwen server, that rules out all other Glastonbury, WoW, other games, films, other aspects of RL... there are a lot of things that might draw players away from the green place we call home. Don't get me wrong, I don't want anyone to leave any more than you do.

I think the off-topic forum is the right place for this thread.

In almost all cases I am, but there are few absolutes in life. I think this is a case where it is warranted within the context of a prydwen forum for prydwen players.

Arguing that films and other aspects of real life take people away is simply sophistory. People will comeback, they will take a break, take a subs payment holiday etc etc, but when they do come back, they will come back to prydwen (this is even true of glast), however freeshard will just take players away full stop.

Post by **Lieva** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:02 pm

i wouldnt worry so much.

Everyone i know who has tried freeshard has always turned round and said it was brilliant
about a couple of months later they return to the normal server.

I dunno - think of it like glastonbury. Peeps like the idea and move there. then return to prydwen cuz theyre happy with the break but just want to play their old game with friends.

As i see it - its like the us servers.
Peeps could happily play there and some do - but most come back

Cromcruaich · Post by **Cromcruaich** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:10 pm

Xest wrote:I'd be careful what you wish for seeing as Prydwen.net is run entirely by ex-prydwen players seeing as no one else was willing to host it and maintain it when Tenpit dropped it.

It's only natural therefore that it should also cater to ex-Prydwen players alike and this is why ex-Prydwen players discussion about things like this are listed as off-topic.

The best we could hope for is that freeshard gets closed and some of the players come back to pryd or excal.

Regarding freeshard discussion, i would of had it strangled at birth on this forum, it's probable that mods active on prydwen would of done so as well.

Obviously the board has moved on from its namesake, i'll accept that. When the mods feel it necessary to move on then contact me about sorting hosting and maintenance, hopefully at that time prydwen will still have enough players to warrant the continued existance of this site.

This will be my last post on this thread, as i'm not gonna keep bumping it.