Terror Bomb in London

Ankh Morpork · Post by **Ankh Morpork** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:50 pm

Ofcourse not, but the do have the power to shape their own goverment and still they dont seem to use it (but I have to admit they are more awake now than they used to be).

/Ankh

Jupi · Post by **Jupi** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:52 pm

Finolin wrote:I don't think most people in California see Arnold Schwarzenegger or his policies as a joke. He's much more the Reagan model of Republican (and not just because of his Hollywood background or that he's the governor of California) - fiscally conservative, but socially liberal, unlike Bush who is fiscally very liberal (the first big government Republican in my lifetime) but socially conservative.

load of bollox, Reagan was also a war monger, and as for fiscally conservative he put the americans in more debt than all previous presidents(star wars etc), also Regan is responsible one Sadam Hussain, Irangate etc... all republicans should be shot at birth

Finolin · Post by **Finolin** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:56 pm

Ankh Morpork wrote:You misunderstod me...ofcourse they take him seriously or else he wouldnt have been elected. And the errors he does in his politics are more than serious for the ones that it involve. But that doesnt mean they dont see him as a joke, but there arent much they can do about it now (kind of like with Bush but he is a proof that there is something wrong with the Yanks...making a mistake once is understandable but re-electing him makes you wonder what kind of people they are..)

I don't mean to stop you from theorizing what you take to be the thoughts of California voters, but are there any examples of his political errors you'd like to cite, or are you just assuming because his popularity has waned that he must be doing something wrong? Having lived and voted there for 10 years, I'd rather talk specifics than to pit my opinion of what Californians think up against yours.

And as for not being much they can do about it, your memory of Californian politics must be quite short. Their last govenor was removed from office before completing his term by the same special election that put in Schwarzenegger.

Post by **Xest** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:01 pm

Ankh Morpork wrote:Ofcourse not, but the do have the power to shape their own goverment and still they dont seem to use it (but I have to admit they are more awake now than they used to be).

/Ankh

That's part the problem, a lot of them don't, it seems in some ways they don't actually have the power to shape their own goverment. Those who don't understand the politics of the US properly and how they relate to the rest of the world also generally vote Bush because of his overly patriotic image, which to them seems cool vote for him. Whilst those who really do understand the politics vote against him but are unfortunately a minority.

When the vote was very close to a 50/50 split this time around it means at most only just over half of America want the country to be the way it is whilst another almost half (which when you're talking a good few 10s of millions of voters is a lot of people) aren't actually happy with the way their country is turning out under Bush.

I think the thing to keep in mind is that you can't let idiots like Bush and those that support him on his more stupid policies (i.e. not signing the Kyoto agreement, invading Iraq) be what defines your view of the American people, you can be sure there's 10s of millions more people that agree with the rest of the world which is very heavily anti-Bush.

You also have to remember a lot of minorities feel that their votes aren't being counted or at least it's being made so difficult for them to vote that they don't many argue that if voting was fair and true in the US that Bush wouldn't have in fact got in, but of course there's a lot of political propoganda powering that so to know whether it's true or not is difficult. With all the different states and each having their own governor politics in America is slightly less straightforward, even native american tribes (i.e. the Navajo) are given their own sub-goverments, sub-territories and own police forces within the US itself, because of this some areas of America are so different to other parts that it's almost like having a group of different countries but, well, I guess that's pretty much what the "United States" is.

Finolin · Post by **Finolin** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:08 pm

Ankh Morpork wrote:Ofcourse not, but the do have the power to shape their own goverment and still they dont seem to use it (but I have to admit they are more awake now than they used to be).

Actually they do use it - the last election had a 64% voter turn out, the highest in a US presidential election since at least 1960.

I think the problem you have with how Americans have shaped their government is they didn't shape it the way you would have liked, but it's inaccurate to say they don't shape it.

Ankh Morpork · Post by **Ankh Morpork** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:12 pm

Finolin wrote:I don't mean to stop you from theorizing what you take to be the thoughts of California voters, but are there any examples of his political errors you'd like to cite, or are you just assuming because his popularity has waned that he must be doing something wrong? Having lived and voted there for 10 years, I'd rather talk specifics than to pit my opinion of what Californians think up against yours.

And as for not being much they can do about it, your memory of Californian politics must be quite short. Their last govenor was removed from office before completing his term by the same special election that put in Schwarzenegger.

I'd love to quote his errors but rather than giving you false information since I can't remember what he have done wrong (only that ive read about them in the past) i'd rather not try and bring up facts that might not be 100% accurate.

No, my memory isnt short - but I know from history that people often decide to wait and see what happens before actually doing anything about the situation. Just cos they did remove the last govenor doesnt mean they will remove Schwarzenegger.

/Ankh

Ankh Morpork · Post by **Ankh Morpork** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:16 pm

Finolin wrote:Actually they do use it - the last election had a 64% voter turn out, the highest in a US presidential election since at least 1960.

I think the problem you have with how Americans have shaped their government is they didn't shape it the way you would have liked, but it's inaccurate to say they don't shape it.

Your partially correct about this. But please, dont say 'the way you would have liked' its more like 'the way most of the world would have liked'.

If they had used it correctly there wouldnt be so much american-hate all over the world atm. Don't you think its abit weird why the U.S is among the most hated lands in the world? Imo instead of acting like the world police that nobody wanted they should take a look at your own land instead. Also, a land that ignores the U.N and refuse to let their war criminals stand trial in Haag should really sit down and think about what makes them 'better' than all other countries.

/Ankh

Ankh Morpork · Post by **Ankh Morpork** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:22 pm

Umm...I think I better read through my last post laters cos I think I might just have confused myself with my own words

Edit: I'll read through them and edit them when I get back. Off to shop now!

/Ankh

Evulweebeastie · Post by **Evulweebeastie** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:05 pm

so fucking gay, my dad works on the london underground and was lucky that it was his day off, and i swore down if they done something like that to him i would of done the same

Childofkhain · Post by **Childofkhain** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:08 pm

thanks to all for the thoughts and regards. I would like to remphasise that a witch hunt is not what should be going on - at least not of all muslims in the country however a round up of those who preach against the "western oppressors" should be locked up and either sent home OR sent to a country in which they have commited a crime to be justifyably and fairly put on trial.