Nhs

[Ankh Morpork]

one kick in the face

..I told you it was a bad idea to go to that cheap plastic surgeon..but did you listen? nooooo!

/Ankh

[Heta]

lies! you never told me!

[Sharkith]

no, 2x bails on the skate and one kick in the face

ouch!

[Sharkith]

But the absolute lowest grades are for teachers doing their PGCE on the job in a primary school - i.e. still in training and doing an easy job. Teaching at primary school level leaves you with next to no homework to mark, means you can start at 8:30 and go home at 3:30 and also leaves you time to do lesson preparation at work. If we're going to take extremes then I could equally point you to the fact a headteacher can earn £99,000+ per year, you also have to remember that teachers get over 3months a year holidays so yes it's a very good wage all around for the amount of time they work. Again, on top of that you're forgetting teachers can boost their wage well with additional responsibilities, for example, offering to become the schools ICT coordinator, or doing a lunchtime homework club, or after school sports. Also you're assuming that a teacher even needs to buy a laptop for their job, every school will have PCs they can use without needing the LFTs (Laptops for Teachers) and let's face it, who doesn't have a computer at home now? - It's not a simply a question of asking them to buy one for work. On that note also do you have any idea how many of them use their laptop, bought by taxpayers intended to help them with their job but instead used for home use and never remember to bring them into school for work? I do and quite honestly it's sick that so much tax payers money is paying for a laptop for a teacher to use for home. A much better option would be to offer a way for teachers to get laptops cheap - perhaps subsidise them, but right now handing out free laptops to teachers leaves so many unused, so many abused and damaged because they got them free and so many used for anything but work.

Personally I think the goverment should at least be spending the money on getting rid of the tatty old Celeron 300 P75 machines that still litter schools and replacing them with new XP boxes - something that'll actually benefit the kids, rather than the rediculous LFT scheme.

I don't know what your understanding of teaching is but essentially it is not as simple as you make out. There are a limited number of options for teachers, not all can be headteachers after all and in order to get those higher grades they now have to get into the business of performance related pay. Now I do think performance related pay is a good thing however what you are neglecting to mention is that this introduces an inequality into a system that risks building resentment. In other words the pot of money only favours those who are aggressive enough and have the time to grab it. Most of those in schools tend to be male and so on and on....

On the issue of the computers. It was after all you who brought it up and you who failed to cite the data on just how many use them and for what. Maybe we don't know? Maybe what your saying about how they use them is an unfair generalisation? If you don't have the data - and the burden of proof is on you to back your arguement up. If your going to generalise to make a point about wastage you really should have more than anecdotal evidence...

Ok lets turn it around a bit. Since you seem to really hate this waste.... Maybe they should not have laptops. Maybe it would be a good thing? Perhaps then when I go to see my sister she will not be sitting to 10 and 11pm at night working on her laptop? All at the tax payers expense. Such a wonderful gift from the taxpayers to make sure she performs after all what better way to make someone feel as though they owe you something than to give them a 'gift'. After all its such a well paid and easy job. Just maybe your right Xest.

[Heta]

how old is your sister? is she singel?

[Sharkith]

how old is your sister? is she singel?

:devlin:

[Lieva]

Ah btw. a laser operation could fix my eyes... costs would be around 8.000 - 10.000 € which I had to pay completely on my own... and our whole system is going into that direction. We recently got an obligation that when you go to a doctor, the insurance companies have you to pay additional 10 € just for the visit and so on. All claiming it costs so much more... yet all I see is that their share holders get more and more money.

yea i know is not what you mean
but thats the kinda thing that annoys me.
I wear glasses and have Very bad eyesight not to mention double vision (without drinking - sux tbh) But i would think getting my eyes fixed on the NHS a cosmetic thing but people actually get it done for free. It personally would cost me £1000-£1500 i think per eye to go through BUPA so technically - for something so cosmetic its not that expensive here. I understand why people get it done but i dont understand why the NHS has to pay for it when you can get specs on the NHS as well...

and dont get me started on that millionare who had an opperation on the NHS cause he didnt want to pay for it himself...

[Heta]

if he pay taxes, why shouldnt he be alloved to have a surgery on the NHS?

[Mojo]

if he pay taxes, why shouldnt he be alloved to have a surgery on the NHS?

He should, he would be paying more tax than most too.

[Sharkith]

yes and the one major principle of the NHS is Universal coverage. OK so some things are not in the NHS and dental care is restricted (you know there is a list of payments for all dental services its just the dentists refuse to do them because they would lose money?). But the principle of Universal coverage is vital to understanding the system. You end up with queues and so on but more or less everyone is in the same boat.