Nhs

[Sharkith]

After knocking out most of my teeth 3 times I have been to the dentist enough for a couple of lifetimes already

tell me about it - you should probably apply to a dental degree

[Sharkith]

does anyone know what was in place before the NHS?
im not sure about that tbh. Or was it like pure private health care?

Well further back - at the end of the last century we had the poor law. What we did was lock vagrants up in workhouses these children would operate factories - very much like the sweatshops of the far east. We had no public sanitory systems and the mortality rates from infectious diseases were huge.

The NHS was set up after the second world war.

One interesting fact is that mortality actually decreased during both world wars - during he time when most trained medical experts where in the field. The reason why they think this happened was because we had food rationing.... so strictly speaking services are not the best way to reduce mortality. One of the problems might be that our NHS is a medical care system and not a health care system.

[OohhoO]

The problem with the whole medical area IMO is that it is geared up to extend life (which increases costs), not improve its quality (which would decrease them). Medicine sets its goal to give us more & more years, regardless of wether they're disease/injury-ridden or not, & regardless of wether or not we actually remain functional.

Personally I'd rather have had 50 years of guaranteed perfect health & then ciao bello.

[WikiDan]

But yes I agree with disbanding the NHS. Atm it's taken advantage of, much like the rest of the welfare state we live in. *People are uninspired to work their way to success when they can happily live along off money provided by the hard working.*

I so wish it was cheaper with dental care...*being unemployed as I am*, I cant even afford ONE visit to the dentist or it will totally ruin my economy and should I need to get my teeth fixed I can assure you it would take more than just one visit

Need I say more? I don't meaning to cause offense to anyone on a personal basis, I'm merely using anecdotal evidence to support my belief that the system is exploited. Sorry if it's a little harsh, but if I cannot support and express my opinions then the entire point of a debate would become obsolete.

[Lieva]

point one :- ankh said he was unimployed and cannot get dental treatment - the post above with cyfr said people would be unemployed to get dental treatment therefore that doesnt apply to ankh.

Point 2 - deshark i CAN read Ip addresses and I will be perma banning this one if you make one more inflamatory remark. As it is for the post you just made you will be getting a warning.

[WikiDan]

i agree that there are people that take the **** out of the nhs, and those that frankly dont deserve the help. drug addicts, for example, imo should be locked in a room cold turkey instead of getting methadone all the time for free just because they were stupid enough to start taking heroin. and they certainly don't deserve the needle exchange programs that are being run.

Ok, well, that's your opinion, but I have to say that I disagree. I assume from this, and I hope I'm not wrong, that you have never done any sort of "hard drug" in your life, nor do you know anyone who has. I have this feeling that if you had any idea of the effects of going "cold turkey" then you might change your mind. Admittedly, they shouldn't be in their position to start with, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. Ok then, the user finally decides that they'd like to give up, or in your system, they're locked in a room and forced to go cold turkey.

So then, at first, they begin to sweat a little, they get the shits... serious shits. They get goosebumps (Hence "cold turkey") and feel anxiety and depression. It's not nice, but we aren't even getting started. They get cramp, severe muscle aches, they can't sleep, they feel nauseous, they vomit violently. They feel immense fever, they get an intense and persistent penile erection (If male). Then comes the so-called itchy blood. The adict complains of insurmountable itching. They itch themselves uncontrollably, so hard that they bruise themselves or scratch the skin clean off. If they're suddenly taken off heroin, they can even get uncontrollable spasms in their legs (Hence "kicking the habit").

To inflict this sort of pain on any human being, IMO, is completely inhumane. I'm not supporting their original addiction, but if they want to come off the drug, I believe that giving them controlled doses of longer lasting weaker drugs, such as methadone, handing them clean needles to prevent the spread of AIDS (If you don't know how awful the effects of AIDS are, I'll be glad to
fill you in (Not like that)), giving them councilling, etc. is the only humane way of treating these people.
And that's what they are, they're people. They aren't this seperate race that are inherently evil. Perhaps they end up twisted, but when it comes down to it, these drugs have huge psychological effects and it'd be a miracle to come out any better. Also, as it's been said before by Poh, using your logic, we shouldn't help people who drive too fast and have a car accident.

I hope that you'll read everything I said and be more informed in the future before you cast such drastic judgement.

[Ankh Morpork]

Need I say more? I don't meaning to cause offense to anyone on a personal basis, I'm merely using anecdotal evidence to support my belief that the system is exploited. Sorry if it's a little harsh, but if I cannot support and express my opinions then the entire point of a debate would become obsolete.

Sorry mate, but Ive been working all my life and only recently became unemployed. I'm getting paid from the Union and no other so imo before you open your mouth you should get the facts. So get lost.

Edit: Btw, so you call the system exploited if you loose your job like in my case?

/Ankh

[Cyfr]

Do you not have savings to afford dental care then while you're unemployed?

[Ankh Morpork]

Do you not have savings to afford dental care then while you're unemployed?

No. When I had my job I had 6 kids to take care off and that costs quite alot. There has been no chance what so ever to save money.

/Ankh

[Cyfr]

Could you not get a better job? or have less children, prolly in your interests to do so if you can't afford your own health care because of it..