Jesus Camp Trailer

<ankh> · Post by **<ankh>** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:14 pm

Lairiodd wrote:Why do they have the most powerful army in the world ? It comes down to support of freedom and capitalism.

There is a good arguement that communism and nazism (both forms of socialism) are bordering on religions anyway. They require that people ignore reality.

Remove the freedom part and keep the capitalism.

And Yes, you could say that they are bordering on religions - but they are still not religions

/Ankh

<ankh> · Post by **<ankh>** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:21 pm

Gandelf wrote:Sorry, I'm tired and mis-reading things! I will shut up now.
I don't want another 3-day ban.

No worries, shit happens.

Edit: btw, somehow your avatar looks abit like Kabane

/Ankh

Post by **Lieva** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:26 pm

<ankh> wrote:Edit: btw, somehow your avatar looks abit like Kabane

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i didnt think kabane was that red?

<ankh> · Post by **<ankh>** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:42 pm

Banana wrote:i didnt think kabane was that red?

to much sunbathing im afraid.

/Ankh

Post by **Lairiodd** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:46 pm

<ankh> wrote:Remove the freedom part and keep the capitalism.

A free market is a significant portion of capitalism.

Also, freedom in the USA on a bad day is a hell of alot better than alot of other countries on their best days. I mean would you fear for your life if you lived in the US, even if you publically disagreed with the Bush administration ? Now ask the same question for countries in the Middle East.

The real problem is that there is a different grading scale for different countries. The US is judged alot harsher than the countries "on the other side".

Genedril · Post by **Genedril** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:50 am

Banana wrote:i didnt think kabane was that red?

He's Welsh so he might be

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As for responses to Gandelf.... that'll have to wait for another day. I'm tired & I don't want to say things I might regret.

<ankh> · Post by **<ankh>** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:40 am

Lairiodd wrote:A free market is a significant portion of capitalism.

Also, freedom in the USA on a bad day is a hell of alot better than alot of other countries on their best days. I mean would you fear for your life if you lived in the US, even if you publically disagreed with the Bush administration ? Now ask the same question for countries in the Middle East.

The real problem is that there is a different grading scale for different countries. The US is judged alot harsher than the countries "on the other side".

Free market yes - but to call america "The Land Of Freedom" is just plain stupid. We're talking about a land where you cannot swear or show nudity on telly. A land where money means everything (I guess that doesnt have much to do with freedom, but I might aswell mention it).
You really think its freedom when they force their way of living onto others? Just because other countries doesnt live by the same standards as United States it doesnt mean they want to do it.
We're talking about a land who tells others how they should live and run their countries - that doesnt sound much like freedom to me.

Edit: But let's stick to the main issue - the christian soldiers. Cos im pretty sure you and I can argue about what freedom is and what we think about the united states for ever.

Edit: then again, this thread was about american extremists so I guess we're on the right track afterall

http://www.apple.com/trailers/independe ... tofascism/

/Ankh

Nedo · Post by **Nedo** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:41 pm

Not read every line in this post so excuse if my question has been answered before.

The 25% mentioned is 25% that is what? It says "bla bla new kid, 25% of the american population" but you never really get the full picture of that number.

25% that are into this kinda brainwash "god will save you"? I very much doubt that. Someone seen more of it then this clip?

<ankh> · Post by **<ankh>** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:05 pm

Nedo wrote:25% that are into this kinda brainwash "god will save you"? I very much doubt that. Someone seen more of it then this clip?

Yes 25% of the total population. It's not the first time i've heard these numbers, but its the first time ive seen this trailer.
You doubt it, fair enough - I don't blame you. But why do you think that christians are so much different from muslims when it comes to strong beliefs?

Edit: Check how many times they say *I'd like to thank jesus* or *thank you jesus* in american programs on telly (non-fictive programs ofc

). Dunno about the rest of the world, but I think i've heard similar like once or twice in my life on swedish telly. Not saying this proves anything with the "25%", just trying to show how strong christianity is in America..good way to atleast get a better overview.

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<ankh> · Post by **<ankh>** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:16 pm

BBC had a great documentary about neo-cons a couple of years ago. Check it out, there is more about the "25%" (can't remember if they use the same high number).

/Ankh