Exactly. (oh, and I ofc agree with the rest in the text too)Satyn wrote:pAnd I really feel strongy that kids have to be protected from themselves.
lol) tell them...so they are way to easy to trick into doing illigal or wrong things. I guess thats why many paedophiles target them.
This is also a very disturbing line to take. Ankh had it right with incarceration and treatment. Facts are that the majority of abusers were themselves abused as children, they are themselves seriously mentally disturbed and damaged.Satyn wrote:i'm a 100% with ankh on this. They should have no rights, i'm ashamed to even breath the same air as they do. They should be hung on a cross and have their balls removed VERY SLOW and then let them bleed to death. I have no sympaty whatsoever for them. They shouldnt have any rights.
Reducing the age might make these things happen even more frequently. Sure, incest will still be illigal - but it might make the parents belive what they are doing is even more ok than before.Cromcruaich wrote:Facts are that the majority of abusers were themselves abused as children, they are themselves seriously mentally disturbed and damaged.
appropriate maybe not but they clearly dont think about baby's and kids so you tell me why i should have or feel any sympaty for them? Just cos they been abused themselves? Sorry, but there are a lot of ppl that got raped and abused and who dont turn out like those perverts.Cromcruaich wrote:This is also a very disturbing line to take. Ankh had it right with incarceration and treatment. Facts are that the majority of abusers were themselves abused as children, they are themselves seriously mentally disturbed and damaged.
You can also think of morally ambigous situations - for example where an adult who has a low mental age has been found in a situation that were it an adult of normal mental age would be considered an abusive situation.
What i'm trying to do is hopefully consider that such treatment is not an appropriate way of dealing with such people.
Point I was trying to make was with regards to punishment suggessted by Sat.<ankh> wrote:Reducing the age might make these things happen even more frequently. Sure, incest will still be illigal - but it might make the parents belive what they are doing is even more ok than before.
/Ankh
Yeah I know, but I thought I'd say that anyway. (thats why I just copy/past that part)Cromcruaich wrote:Point I was trying to make was with regards to punishment suggessted by Sat.
I do not in anyway support the platform that these people are standing on, I find it completely astonishing.
(but this is ofc speculations and nothing else) Absolutely. Sympathy was not something I mentioned at all.Satyn wrote:appropriate maybe not but they clearly dont think about baby's and kids so you tell me why i should have or feel any sympaty for them? Just cos they been abused themselves? Sorry, but there are a lot of ppl that got raped and abused and who dont turn out like those perverts.
Extremely well put. I was struggling to find a truly supportable argument why it was absolutely wrong. Youve got to the crux of it there.Cernos wrote:Well, a true democracy by definition has to accommodate listening to the views of everyone, even if those ideas are abhorent to the majority and won't get voted in because the majority won't allow it.
All fine and good in principle. But the reality is somewhat different.
The difference comes when extreme views / practices are likely to cause actual harm, hurt or suffering to another person rather than just causing offence (causing offence is subjective, causing suffering isn't).
One persons freedom of expression is another persons misery.
Which is why it is not fine to give freedom of expression to anyone who would advocate actions which would violate someone elses basic human rights (and the right for a child to not be molested by an adult is a fundamental human right).
I believe in free speech and democracy, but when someone crosses the boundary line and violates someone elses human rights, their rights to democratic free speech can go to hell as far as I'm concerned.
