Planning a smoking area?

Satyn · Post by **Satyn** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:27 pm

Xest wrote:As opposed to believing smoke has the courtesy to stay at the door?

euhr what?

Sharkith · Post by **Sharkith** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:39 pm

Xest wrote:Point proven, you have really do have no argument.

This gets funnier. My argument is above and it is consistent and clear. All your doing now is flapping around. Clutching at straws in the hope that I will flame you.

You were provided with evidence from scientific articles that exist in peer reviewed literature to demonstrate the points made. The second abstract comes from Environmental Health Perspectives - thats the one that cited some evidence but also some inconclusive findings. The Journal itself has been published since the early 1970's. My point has always been consistent and as follows the 'causal' claim your making, espeically with respect to passive smoking, is a claim that has more to do with politics than science.

Your argument was what again?

Post by **Xest** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:06 pm

Those would be the articles that agree that there is a higher risk of TB amongst smokers?

They compliment the wikipedia list of citations, which are equally and in some cases from even more reputed sources than the articles you provide. You use the argument that your single source is reputable yet somehow believe that evidence from greater in number, and from even more reputable sources is somehow false? That's about selective as you can get in trying to find evidence to support your case, yet this is the very thing you're claiming occurs in the evidence against you that is equally and more reputable! If you're now suggesting that the argument is won on quality and quantity of articles, you lose, hard.

If you can't even accept comments from the tobacco industry itself accepting that smoking and passive smoking are harmful it's pretty obvious you really have absolutely no idea what you're on about.

Oh well, maybe one day you'll have a point, until then maybe you should consider answering Ovi's question. As for me wanting you to flame me, there's not really much need for me to want that when you've been doing it regardless for a while now. I'll give you one thing, you're good at talking about philosophy, discussing what is proof and so forth, it's just a shame you've demonstrated that you have no understanding about things such as reasonable doubt, acceptable levels of proof and confidence intervals, unfortunately without this kind of understanding you also can't put across any kind of point in a reasonable and sensible manner as you've proven once more here and as you've proven once before with your argument that Darwinism is a conspiracy theory.

OohhoO · Post by **OohhoO** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:12 pm

So...
To sum up...
Here are the OohhoO Awards For Coolness In This Thread!

1st: Quinlan
2nd: Kesxex
3rd: Sharkith
4th: OohhoO
5th: Tuthmes
6th: Gahn
7th: ShiShi
8th: Satyn
9th: Banana
10th: Xest (which is a shame cos I already voted for Xest as President of the Universe =/)
11th: Elrandhir
12th: Takitothemacs
13th: Ankh
14th: Ovi
15th: Gandelf
16th: Haarewin
17th: Moley

So congratulations to Quinlan, Kesxex & Sharkith & the rest of us will just have to try harder

Post by **Xest** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:13 pm

OohhoO you've been wrong all the way through the thread, what makes you think you'd start being right now

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OohhoO · Post by **OohhoO** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:15 pm

Xest wrote:OohhoO you've been wrong all the way through the thread, what makes you think you'd start being right now ?

Damn I must have missed it

Elrandhir · Post by **Elrandhir** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:15 pm

OohhoO wrote:So...
To sum up...
Here are the OohhoO Awards For Coolness In This Thread!

1st: Quinlan
2nd: Kesxex
3rd: Sharkith
4th: OohhoO
5th: Tuthmes
6th: Gahn
7th: ShiShi
8th: Satyn
9th: Banana
10th: Xest (which is a shame cos I already voted for Xest as President of the Universe =/)
11th: Elrandhir
12th: Takitothemacs
13th: Ankh
14th: Ovi
15th: Gandelf
16th: Haarewin
17th: Moley

So congratulations to Quinlan, Kesxex & Sharkith & the rest of us will just have to try harder

I don't like you'r list

OohhoO · Post by **OohhoO** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:17 pm

Elrandhir wrote:I don't like you'r list

QQ

OohhoO · Post by **OohhoO** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:29 pm

OK, so to get back to being serious...

I think there are various things which we can probably all agree on:-
1) Smoking is bad for you. Not only for the smoker but also for anyone else subjected to it.
2) There are a lot of sub-optimal things in our societies & smoking is a cheap & easy target (but isn't it really a case of attacking the symptoms & not the cause?)
3) Discrimination & bans can be bad if not used wisely & judiciously.

Anyone disagree with that?

Post by **Lieva** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:30 pm

OohhoO wrote:So...
To sum up...
Here are the OohhoO Awards For Coolness In This Thread!

1st: Quinlan
2nd: Kesxex
3rd: Sharkith
4th: OohhoO
5th: Tuthmes
6th: Gahn
7th: ShiShi
8th: Satyn
9th: Banana
10th: Xest (which is a shame cos I already voted for Xest as President of the Universe =/)
11th: Elrandhir
12th: Takitothemacs
13th: Ankh
14th: Ovi
15th: Gandelf
16th: Haarewin
17th: Moley

So congratulations to Quinlan, Kesxex & Sharkith & the rest of us will just have to try harder

9th?

NINTH??

oooh are you gonna get it in email boyo...